1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Interesting private handgun sale situation involving LEO in NC - Need your help!!!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by CPshooter, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. CPshooter

    CPshooter Well-Known Member

    Hi folks,

    I've found myself in a bit of an odd situation over a pending trade deal and could really use some advice. I found a LEO here in North Carolina (not in my county though) that has a P7M8 and he wants to meet up face to face to trade me for a few of my handguns. However, he is claiming that he has been too busy/lazy/whatever to get a PPP (pistol purchase permit) and has not gotten around to getting his CCP (which can replace the PPP here in NC).

    This gentleman then proceeded to tell me that a PPP/CCP is only required when buying from an FFL, but nothing is required for a private sale between two citizens. I informed him that this was incorrect and both people need to retain either an actual PPP or a copy of a valid CCP + photo ID from the other person. I remarked that it was strange to me that a LEO did not know the law when it comes to something as consequential as a firearm sale. I think he got a bit offended because he said he didn't like my tone and essentially threatened to break off the deal. This was all text messaging, btw. He is calling me today at 5pm though.

    I went on to explain that I was not trying to be offensive, but that something simply smelled fishy and I was just protecting myself. After all, if they can pull a sting on a drug dealer, why couldn't they do the same with someone selling a firearm illegally?

    What would you do in this situation? If he doesn't have a PPP, he can't even take my guns in through his FFL. Is he exempt from requiring a PPP/CCP because he's a cop, perhaps? That's the only thing I'm still wondering about. Heck, am I just being naive here in thinking it's really possible for a LEO to not know this law? I mean, hasn't this law been in effect for years now? I just moved here about a year ago and got my CCP about 6 months ago... Is he some random trying to stick me up and steal my guns? Maybe he's part of a gun control nazi police force trying to prove a point by making an example out of someone (aka stinging me)?

    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2013
  2. lesgeaux

    lesgeaux Well-Known Member

    I don't know nothing from nothing about North Carolina firearm laws, but reading your post, it seems that you do. If that is the case and you know it can't happen due to his not holding the proper credentials, I would just say that maybe you should move on and find another P7M8. It would not be worh finding yourself in a pickle over this one. Good Luck.
  3. Bubbles

    Bubbles Well-Known Member

    No state permit is required to purchase a rifle or shotgun. It is lawful for citizens of the State to purchase rifles and shotguns and ammunition in states contiguous to this State.

    A license or permit must be obtained to purchase, sell, give away, transfer, inherit, or receive a handgun by applying to the county sheriff in which the purchase is to be made or where the receiver resides. A purchase permit is good for five years from the date of issue. Antique firearms are exempted. The sheriff shall issue such license or permit to a resident of that county, unless the purpose of the license or permit is for collecting, in which case a license or permit may be issued to a nonresident.

    When the sheriff shall have fully satisfied himself as to the good moral character of the applicant, the applicant has successfully completed a criminal history check, and that the applicant desires the possession of the handgun for the protection of the home, business, person, family or property, target shooting, collecting, or hunting, such permit or license shall be issued.

    For good cause shown, a license or permit may be denied, and within seven (7) days of such refusal a written statement of the reason shall be issued to the applicant. Each applicant for any such license or permit shall be informed within thirty (30) days of the date of such application whether such license or permit shall be granted or denied, and, if granted, such license or permit shall be immediately issued to said applicant. A permit or license may not be issued to a person:

    - who is under indictment or who has been convicted of a felony except that if a person has been later pardoned or is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm under the Felony Act, he may obtain a permit or license;
    - who is a fugitive from justice;
    - who is an unlawful user of or addicted to a drug;
    - who has been adjudicated mentally incompetent or has been committed to any mental institution;
    - who is dishonorably discharged from the military;
    - who has renounced his or her citizenship; or
    - who is under a court restraining order for harassing, stalking, threatening an intimate partner or a child.

    An appeal from such refusal may be made to the Chief Judge of the District Court for the district in which the application was filed.

    A permit is valid for the purchase of only one handgun. To obtain another handgun, an applicant must procure another permit and must convince the issuing authority that he needs more than one handgun.
  4. sota

    sota Well-Known Member

    I say, run like the wind from this guy and find a different P7M8 to get. I know, they're hard to find, but do you really want to be involved with someone who doesn't know or apparently want to respect the laws and is CHARGED with the duty of enforcing them?
  5. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Talk to him, give him the info above, and politely break off contact if he doesn't agree to play strictly by the rules.
  6. CPshooter

    CPshooter Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't care what the guy knows or doesn't know as long as I'm not at risk of doing anything illegal myself. As of right now, I am not trying to go through with this and do anything illegal. However, I'd still like to get clarification on the part about him being a LEO before I turn him away for good. If he doesn't need a civilian CCP because he's a LEO and allowed to carry anyhow, maybe he can just show his LEO credentials instead? That's what I'm trying to figure out here.

    Thank you for the input so far! Really do appreciate it!
  7. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member

    If he refuses to play by the rules, drop it like a hot rock.
  8. sota

    sota Well-Known Member

    I might be projecting on this one but take it as you will...

    If this were NJ I'd be calling the state police and getting ahold of the highest badge I could for clarification. then I'd need to contact a firearms specializing lawyer (yep... we got A BUNCH of them!) to see if some colorful smoke was being inserted into my exit-only orifice. However that would require WAY more effort for a firearm that, unless it literally was a 1 of 1 and i just *HAD* to have it, probably isn't worth it.

    Is it a sting? I don't know. Is the LEO being a bit of a <colorful metaphore>? From your description I would say yes. Just based on the fact he doesn't seem to want to help clarify the situation but responds with a "I don't like your attitude", do you really want to be involved in any transaction with such a person whereby you're trading goods and not money? I still say, walk away. Nicely inform him you've decided to withdraw from the negotiations and bid him a pleasant day.
  9. CPshooter

    CPshooter Well-Known Member

    So I just called my local Sheriff's Office. A woman deputy I spoke with on the phone said that some gun shops in NC will sell a handgun to a police officer with only LEO credentials, but some are not comfortable with doing this and still require the PPP or CCP. Even she did not know for 100% certain if NC law allows for LEO credentials to replace a CCP/PPP. If I can find out for sure one way or another, I will know what decision I need to make here.
  10. Bubbles

    Bubbles Well-Known Member

    LE exemptions typically apply to department-issued firearms, not to private purchases. I would find another seller.
  11. clamman

    clamman Well-Known Member

    I have made purchases from NC LEO. He is wrong. Walk away!
  12. Old Shooter

    Old Shooter Well-Known Member

    I would just walk away and not look back.

    Life is too short to risk spending time in the courthouse, county jail and mayby even club fed if this is some sort of set-up regarding some obscure parts of the law.

    Even if works out, all you did was make a deal with a jerk.

    I would not give him the pleasure, let him sell the gun to another.
  13. Grmlin

    Grmlin Well-Known Member

    Learn something new everyday, I've never used a pistol permit or my cc for any private sales.
  14. rdhood

    rdhood Well-Known Member

    And these all have "Felony" written on them. Force him to follow the law or terminate the sale.
  15. marv

    marv Well-Known Member

    I would Run away from that 'deal' as fast as my prosthetic knee could carry me. Simplest solution would be to just stop communicating with him. If you think he's been lying to you then no explanation is needed.
  16. Tennessee Ned

    Tennessee Ned Well-Known Member

    Does he need PPP/CCP just to sell you the P7M8? If not you might just try to buy it straight up and sell your other guns to someone with the proper permits.
  17. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'd treat an alleged "LEO" like any other Joe Schmo I met on the street. And in the majority of cases, LEO's are only exempt from such regulations if purchasing a DUTY weapon, and in such case need a letter from their CO, on official letterhead, stating such.
  18. Black Butte

    Black Butte Well-Known Member

    If you have any doubt, isn't it safer to split a $10 or $20 dollar transfer fee and go through an FFL? It's better than potentially getting set up for an unpleasant experience.
  19. medalguy

    medalguy Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'd treat an alleged "LEO" like any other Joe Schmo I met on the street.

    Me, I'd be doubly careful dealing with any LEO who has the attitude this guy apparently has. Just my .02.
  20. CPshooter

    CPshooter Well-Known Member

    I appreciate all the input everyone. Definitely helps reinforce that I need to be careful who I'm dealing with out there. I am NOT going to go through with this deal unless he complies with the law.

    That being said, I still want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. Just because he is a LEO, doesn't automatically mean he knows about gun law. A lot of old-timers out there really think they know the law because it was that way 20 years ago, but they don't make an effort to keep up with the current laws and then get upset when a youngster like me comes along and proves them wrong. Maybe his ego just got hurt a bit because I proved im wrong after he insisted he was right? Either way, I see two options here. He can either apply for the PPP and wait the 7-10 days for it to clear before we meet up, OR we can go through our FFLs and his FFL can hold my guns for 7-10 days until his PPP clears.

    I'm supposed to talk to this guy in 10 minutes. Should be interesting... I'll let you guys know how it goes!

Share This Page