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Internal Lock on Ruger Vaquero?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Balrog, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    Does anyone know how this lock works, and can it be removed?
  2. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    No need to remove the lock. It is accessed by removing the grips and the default state is unlocked so if there is a malfunction of the lock it will not disable your handgun.
  3. DPris

    DPris Well-Known Member

    Since it forms the seat of the mainspring strut, it can't just be removed. You need something to replace it, or the gun won't function.
  4. BCCL

    BCCL Well-Known Member

    Don't lock it and ignore it, and you'll never know it's there.
  5. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    Assuming it doesnt tear up and lock up the gun
  6. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    So far there haven't been any reports of the lock giving any problems, but where there is any lock they’re a possibility - although remote to the extreme. You can address the issue at least 2 ways:

    1. Remove the lock, and replace it with a custom-made mainspring strut seat, which should not be especially difficult or expensive.

    2. Degrease the lock, feed it a shot of epoxy while in the locked position, and then turn it to unlocked before the adhesive can set. Thereafter it won't move.

    A final option would be expensive: Replace the grip frame with an older one that never had a lock.

    Keep in mind that if you ever returned the revolver to the factory it would be returned with a functional lock, and a bill for payment on your dime.
  7. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Well-Known Member

    I have replaced one or two on my Rugers, it required a new spring and plate as I recall. I no longer bother, the lock is a non issue with the SA Rugers.
  8. CraigC

    CraigC Well-Known Member

    Unlike S&W, the Ruger lock is a non-issue. I despise S&W's lock and won't buy one so-equipped but Ruger's lock is another matter. I would prefer it wasn't there but if it has to be, Ruger's design is the one you want. It is easily ignored and after six years on the market, I have yet to hear a single report of one malfunctioning. I really wouldn't see a point in replacing it or rendering it inoperable.

  9. BCCL

    BCCL Well-Known Member

    Has one been documented in a Ruger SA?
  10. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    Don't know. But you wouldn't have to ask that question if the lock was not there.
  11. The lock shouldn't even be an issue on anything other than a self defense gun. Nobody would choose a SA as for SD, would they?
  12. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    If it happens to be the only loaded gun handy, then yes I would use it for SD.
  13. BCCL

    BCCL Well-Known Member

    And you wouldn't have to ask about any number of smaller and more delicate parts in the same gun if they weren't either........................

    You can find reports of things breaking on Rugers here and there, but I've yet to see a report of a problem with their internal lock, (show me one if you can) and from direct first hand experience I can tell you that you can't even tell it's there.

    Your looking for something to worry about.
  14. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    Some parts have to be on a gun to make it work. Some don't. If a necessary part breaks, then oh well, you are out of luck.

    If an unnecessary part breaks and locks up your gun, then you are the victim of stupid engineering.

    Maybe the Ruger lock will never have a single failure, and thus be the first thing ever devised by mortal men that can't be broken. If so, then Ruger has done something truly miraculous.
  15. Well then, instead of all this hand wringing drama, sell the thing and buy yourself a pre-lock Ruger SA.
  16. BCCL

    BCCL Well-Known Member

    ^Yup, whole lot easier than all this drama queen "maybewhatifcouldpossiblyitus"
  17. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    Actually other posters started the drama.

    I asked two specific questions. How does it work, and can it be removed.
  18. kozak6

    kozak6 Well-Known Member

    How does the lock work?
  19. BCCL

    BCCL Well-Known Member

    It's a simple system, your turn the key to the "locked" position and it blocks the main spring strut from moving, which prevents to gun from being cocked.

    When "unlocked", no part of the lock is in contact with any parts of the guns action and the lock parts cannot move on their own without the key, so it's presence does not effect the action at all, it is impossible to tell just by cycling the action if the lock is present or not. (even in .44 magnum recoil, there have not been any reports of the locks breaking or engaging themselves.)

    Now a lot to it, and virtually impossible for it to break or accidentally engage itself.

    Ignore it, shoot 'em and enjoy! :)
  20. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    I'll admit I'm no fan of any internal lock, but this one doesn't bother me.

    But that not the point. I'm tired of manufacturers that impose them on us, mostly to protect themselves from a lawsuit if someone (especially a child) gets ahold of an unsecured gun, and bottom-feeding tort lawyers come forth to blame the maker, not a careless owner.

    Same reason we're stuck with "Don't shoot until you read the instruction book," stamped somewhere on the barrel.

    Anyway I respect Balorg's right to have a choice. If he doesn't want the lock he should be able to get rid of it. The gun manufacturer couldn't care less, because if the lock is tampered with they are off the hook. If there is any additional liability transfered to Balorg he doesn't seem worried about it.

    As someone mentioned, he can buy a pre-lock model, and that's something he should take into consideration. But whichever way he goes it's his decision.

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