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Interview with a Vampire, eh, I mean an Anti.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by CAnnoneer, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. CAnnoneer

    CAnnoneer Well-Known Member

    Pursuant of my thread on Florida law, I explained the situation to my colleague, as she was the one that had asked my take on it in the first place. Typically for an anti, she did not want to listen to arguments actually, just give me a verbal moralizing lashing as a known gunowner (and thus "deviant") and supporter of personal freedoms (and thus "anarchist").

    Anyway, predictably, she flew off the handle and produced the following gems of wisdom:

    "If you want to be free, go live on an island."

    "Don't like it? Go live in Texas! Or Florida!"

    "2nd Amendment is completely outdated for our complex society."

    "Rights? There is no such thing as rights. Rights are given by laws, which are changed by the majority. You have your guns as a privilege that can be revoked at any time."

    "2nd Amendment only guarantees ownership. So you can (for now) have them at home, but this does not mean you can use them."

    Interestingly, she is also pro-choice. When I asked her how she views her own freedoms now that the reps seem to be gaining seats on the SC, and possibly abortion rights would be removed, she went into hysteria and was about to start crying. Then she went into jibberish about "lesser of two evils" and "laws and regulations" needed for a "complex multi-moral society".

    How is it that intelligent educated people have lobotomized themselves so much as to think in terms of mantras and obstinately refuse to see that "pro-gun" and "pro-choice" are ultimately about the same thing - individual freedom, be it for keeping the gov out of your holster or your genitals. :confused:

    So now the take-home lesson for the " anarchistic deviant" is that such things as the Bill of Rights, "inalienable human rights", etc. are just privileges to be granted or taken away by legislators (supposedly) representing the wishes of the majority.

    What is going on here? These people in essence argue in favor of socialist dictatorship, the logical end of being a "perfect" society of non-existent freedom and maximal security. How can it be the Americans can argue such jibberish? Comrade Stalin is laughing his moustache off in his grave...
  2. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Do this ----> :banghead: instead of talking to this person. It will be far less painful and accomplish much more.
  3. RavenVT100

    RavenVT100 Well-Known Member

    Isn't it funny how people who claim to be moral relativists and "outside the box" thinkers inevitably come to the conclusion that yes, what personally affects them is of the utmost importance and shall not be questioned, but everything else is open to interpretation?
  4. torpid

    torpid Well-Known Member

    I've long noted a schadenfreude-like tendency in human nature to support policies that screw over the other guy, as long as it doesn't affect them.

    It's not limited to any political leaning, it's still the same lack of logic and empathy- whether it's smoking, drinking, pornography, firearms, etc.

    They just can't let others enjoy something that they don't do themselves, even when it has no effect on them.

  5. phoglund

    phoglund Well-Known Member

    Hmmm....her reactions seem to indicate she has the hots for you. Be careful! :neener:
  6. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    CA, why would you assume that the Left values freedom and liberty?

    To a Leftist, freedoms and liberties are only weapons used to destroy America and impose his will.
  7. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    These people are mentally defective. Any interaction with them is a waste of time. Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes.
  8. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member


    And you should tell her that too.
  9. Deavis

    Deavis Well-Known Member

    Plus if you can teach them to wash dishes you can probably teach them to handle a gun and defend your place while you are gone. Who needs a guard dog when you have an uppity arrogant cat with a Glock at home?

    Personally, I love it when zealots start crying. That is when logic starts to finally set in and they realize they are done.
  10. Creeping Incrementalism

    Creeping Incrementalism Well-Known Member

    Didn't Michael Jackson have his pet chimp Bubbles washing windows at Neverland?
  11. Waitone

    Waitone Well-Known Member

    Go out and argue with a traffic light. Your logic and argumentation will be better appreciated.
  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Yep. I always make an effort to reason with people; if they prove impervious to reason, however, I stop wasting my time and effort.
  13. dasmi

    dasmi Well-Known Member

    As Standing Wolf said, if they aren't able to grasp logic and reason, I walk away, and go do something more productive.
  14. karlsgunbunker

    karlsgunbunker Well-Known Member

    "Never try to teach a Pig to sing. It waste's your time and annoy's the Pig."
    Robert Heinlein
  15. bjbarron

    bjbarron Well-Known Member

    They don't think, they 'feel'.

    150 years of watching Socialism murder 100 million people thru mismanagement and neglect as much as malice...doesn't seem to sink in for these people.

    I guess it just comes down to guilt, conspiracy theories, and intellectual lazyness. We can all think of things wrong with capitalism, but thugs don't show up at 3am to drag you to the mall.:p Capitalists need us as much as we need to keep an eye on them.

    I don't argue with them anymore. Not worth the effort. About a dozen times I've said...."sorry, I don't speak moonbat." And walked away.
  16. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Thats just beautiful ... I'll be quoting that all over.
  17. Lupinus

    Lupinus Well-Known Member

    Have a friend in Baton Rouge.

    We are on the out's over NOLA and the horrid response/stripping of civil right's.

    She believe's the wonderful NOLA police and LA national guard are angel's that can do no wrong.

    Martial law she say's was declared in NOLA and as such, civil liberties and right's can be given and taken away at will. And that taking away the gun's was to make it safer for anyone. Yeah, a criminal maybe. Honastly think a criminal will give up their weapon? I ask her. Well no one has a choice now, she say's. Yeah ok honey you go back to never land now.

    Oh and the forced entry into countless private building's was simply to find dead bodies. Which to an extent I can agree with. But if people respond to a knock on the door it's safe to assume that there arn't a bunch of bodies in the attic.

    Oh and the old woman that clearly had plenty of supplies that was knocked to the ground and pretty much dragged from her own home? Why, it was done by the all knowing great authorities to protect her. Protect her my ass. Protecting her owuld have been leaving her the hell alone with her gun, better still would have been giving her some extra ammo. How many band's of armed looter's went through the city? How many people saved their home's possesion's and live's in NOLA with their gun's? How many women kept little gangsta wanna be;s from forcing their way between her leg's and raping her?
    When the national guard/military is needed to help fine, send them. They are one of the few organization's in this country with the command and control structure to respond to something on a mass scale and get teh job done, so long as the politician's just give the order and from there leave them the heck alone.

    But under no circumstance's do they have a legal right to violate and alter your civil right's at will.

    Much as it pain's me to say this about American service men, if I had been a NOLA resident that decided to stay you'd be reading about one dead civilan that wouldn't surrender his right's and several dead authorities at his door.

    The day the goverment try's to take my right's is the day I am killed by someone doing their bidding. Do I fault the guy in muddy boot's following order's? Course not. But I wouldn't fault any young man serving his country that if it came down to it I had to shoot.

    And as for the island comment? How about you stupid ass liberal's with no sense of your own countries history go find an island more to your liking. My country worked and work's (at least in most way's when you keep a liberal's hand's off it) juse fine. Want to live in a socialist country where the goverment will hold your hand and you can feel warm and fuzzy knowing the only people with gun's are the military (cause you know, gun ban's work flawlessly after all and wipe away crime completly) there are plenty of countries that will be glad to have you. I hear england or France are nice this time of year. My country is fine. If you don't like it get the hell out and leave it to me and the rest of the backward's conservative gun weidling psychopath's. We will all be happier.

  18. Ezekiel

    Ezekiel Well-Known Member

    Sarcasm or no, "this is the sort of crap that arms anti's". I don't want to see it on a bumper sticker...
  19. Lupinus

    Lupinus Well-Known Member

    It wasn't so much sarcasim as it was in the middle of a rant ranting.

    But Im sorry that's how I feel. You are more then welcome to your opinion. But your opinion doesn't give you the right to take away or severly interfear with my right's. I don't like people who drink themselves to the point of sheer stupidity every night. But they have every right to do so. Do I try and change the law or do something to keep them from doing it? No. I leave the house or place they are doing it.

    Same concept. It is my right to own firearm's in this country. If you do not like it, then leave the house. And on the same token I will leave you to your right's that I have no intrest in.

    That same drunk could just as easily get into a car and kill someone as I could pick up my gun and go kill someone. Actually the drunk is more likly to do it as countless statistics show time and agian.

    That is the more polite not rant version :)
  20. Ezekiel

    Ezekiel Well-Known Member

    No problemo. It just can be difficult to make a defense against what many THINK we are if we actually CLAIM to be as such. Sort of like the time I -- sarcastically -- told some guy I was only there to have sex with his daughter. "That just didn't work out..."

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