Ireland. PLEASE READ.
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i didnt say you shouldnt have a gun in a remote are to protect against bears, that i ahve no problen with.
i already talked about how I DONT WATCH AMERICAN ACTION MOVIES, but you didnt read that..
i also commented on this:
i am young and i am trying to type fast, making fun of my typing or spelling proves nothing.
i already talked about how I DONT WATCH AMERICAN ACTION MOVIES, but you didnt read that..
i also commented on this:
i am young and i am trying to type fast, making fun of my typing or spelling proves nothing.
odysseus
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before this thread closes...
Sense...
You are a joker, and a troll. Sorry I will try to keep this on the High Road. If you are who you say you are, please go back to reading and live life - you need to learn some things. Sorry to have to sound like a jerk there.
People - your are feeding into this game he is in play. If you read his stuff it's hilariously funny, and mind you - very wrong.
Anyway - thanks for the laughs Sense. I have recorded some of your greatest epitaphs of reason and beliefs... which mind you are false:
Sense...
You are a joker, and a troll. Sorry I will try to keep this on the High Road. If you are who you say you are, please go back to reading and live life - you need to learn some things. Sorry to have to sound like a jerk there.
People - your are feeding into this game he is in play. If you read his stuff it's hilariously funny, and mind you - very wrong.
Anyway - thanks for the laughs Sense. I have recorded some of your greatest epitaphs of reason and beliefs... which mind you are false:
because if people could eb trusted we wouldnt have problems? ill proabbaly ahve to put a footnote here*
*problems which are related to people.
so dont argue about.. i dunno volcanos or somthing.
and hopefully goodnight(i still ahve found a few second space to get away)
*problems which are related to people.
so dont argue about.. i dunno volcanos or somthing.
and hopefully goodnight(i still ahve found a few second space to get away)
cuchulainn
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Yes, Michael Collins did well. He did what others couldn't do for nearly 1,000 years. But stop saying that he did it without guns. That's historically wrong.
Wrong.
The concept is flawed, but at your young age you just don't understand why.
nico
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if you don't want any stupid posts, just skip the ones written by some 12 year old who calls himself "sense."
lol a spellchecker wouldn't even recognize most of that.
:: pokes troll :: hey, this is fun
ZenMasterJG
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Not really.
There is the key difference in philosophy. I believe that I can be trusted. My gun ownership has hurt no one, and has helped some economically. I believe that my family can be trusted. That guy next door, he has never done anything wrong; he deserves to be trusted as well. And so on for all Americans. Unless they commit a crime or other to show that they cannot be trusted, why would you (the all knowing King Sense) want to take away their freedom? Are you afraid of them or me? Why? I subscribe to strict gun safety so there is no chance of an accident. My guns won't hurt you unless you try to commit a crime against me. You won't do that since you are a law abiding citizen as well, right?
I believe that I should have the freedom to do what I want as long as I do not screw with someone else's freedom. So don't screw with mine.
BuddyOne
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The ownership of a firearm is not what makes a U.S. citizen different to a European. The troll here today really doesn't care about the ownership of a piece of blued steel hardware. What really burns in his gut is the fact that our RIGHT AS A HUMAN to own a firearm is guaranteed and his is not...
Buddy
The ownership of a firearm is not what makes a U.S. citizen different to a European. The troll here today really doesn't care about the ownership of a piece of blued steel hardware. What really burns in his gut is the fact that our RIGHT AS A HUMAN to own a firearm is guaranteed and his is not...
Buddy
Thanks for coming to a point. It's nice to see what high regard you have for your fellow man.
Killing by accident? Only if you cannot comprehend the act of pointing a gun at somebody and pulling the trigger. Surely at 19 you are capable of understanding this.
I suggest you read an article on projection and see how you think it applies to yourself. Take some time and examine your own inclinations, and why you think people cannot be trusted. Can you be trusted?
lunaslide
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Unfortunately, all the IRA has done in recent times is become an organized crime outfit. They did not disappear as a terrorist organization as you suggest.
Of course, there's that whole War of Independence thing when they did use guns. The Anglo-Irish treaty would not have come about if the war had not been fought, the English would have simply crushed the opposition.
Less fortunate than those in Ireland are those in Zimbabwe and Sudan, who do not have the good fortune of "winning without guns." You see, because they are being slaughtered by their government and they are defenseless to stop it. Were it that they were armed, they could defend themselves against the death squads of their governments. Also less fortunate are the people of South Africa and other nations there who suffer mugging, rape and beatings every day because they are not allowed to have firearms to defend themselves.
But to hell with all those people, right? We've got it good, our government isn't trying to kill us and comes to our rescue when we're attacked, so why should we care about them.
At least some people are starting to get the point that gun ownership is a human right.
Terrorism has been used to maintain power in every communist state that has ever existed. They are not the same thing certainly, but they are so closely related that one seems to necessarily follow the other. Not one communist state has grown and flourished the way that free nations have. On the continuum between communism (complete state control over an economy) and capitalism (free market economy), the prosperity of a nation can almost directly be predicted based on the model it follows. The old European nations of France, Germany, Sweden and others that have embraced socialism are stuck in 1970s growth patterns and their people, under the burden of high taxes, are drowning in debt and unemployment.
The more involved the government is in providing services that the free market should supply, the more involved that government is in the day-to-day affairs of a citizen's life. It is a blatant affront to one's freedom to live as they see fit.
I've been a gun enthusiast since I was 21. I've been a freedom enthusiast since I was 8 when I used to carry around a copy of the Bill of Rights in my pocket. It was love of liberty that brought me to guns, not love of guns that brought me to liberty.
You're right, that is just capitalism for you. Free markets go through fluctuations and cycles. The money that moves through those markets collects in places for awhile, but never forever, because without the flow of that money the system ceases to function.
Consider the alternative, where in socialist countries the economy stagnates under the weight of onerous regulations and taxes and the people have less and less purchase power as their tax rates climb higher and higher. Meanwhile, the welfare class only continues to grow because their dependence on the state ensures the ever growing amount of money that it can justifiably collect.
Your typing ability isn't the only thing being impaired by your youth. I imagine you are in high school or college and still under the full influence of leftist indoctrination that you received there. Fear not, keep an open mind, question what you've been taught, do your own research, and maybe one day you will snap out of it.
Sean Smith
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To recap:
There is no correlation between gun control and crime rates, even violent crime rates, either comparing areas within a country with different levels of gun control, or across borders. Crime rates vary for all kinds of reasons, but apparently not based on gun ownership. Places in this country with high legal gun ownership and few gun laws often have low crime rates, and places with low legal gun ownership and lots of gun laws sometimes have awful crime rates. Places in Europe with higher rates of gun ownership often have less crime than areas with low gun ownership. Switzerland isn't exactly one big crack gheto, you know.
So why the hell should we give the slightest bit of credence to anything you've said? You've got nothing but some vaguely-formed idea that "guns are bad." Well, color us unimpressed. The grown-ups in the room (regardless of age) are waiting for you to come up with something substantive, if they haven't written you off as half-wit bog-trotter.
There is no correlation between gun control and crime rates, even violent crime rates, either comparing areas within a country with different levels of gun control, or across borders. Crime rates vary for all kinds of reasons, but apparently not based on gun ownership. Places in this country with high legal gun ownership and few gun laws often have low crime rates, and places with low legal gun ownership and lots of gun laws sometimes have awful crime rates. Places in Europe with higher rates of gun ownership often have less crime than areas with low gun ownership. Switzerland isn't exactly one big crack gheto, you know.
So why the hell should we give the slightest bit of credence to anything you've said? You've got nothing but some vaguely-formed idea that "guns are bad." Well, color us unimpressed. The grown-ups in the room (regardless of age) are waiting for you to come up with something substantive, if they haven't written you off as half-wit bog-trotter.
Don Gwinn
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Guys, this is getting pretty slow. I just read through the entire thread in one sitting, and it's pretty clear she doesn't understand any of your arguments. Her main refrain seems to be "What does that mean?" You tell her it's invalid to compare Belgium to South America, just as it's invalid to compare Ireland to the U.S., and she responds with reasons not to compare the U.S. to some combination of Belgium and South America. You make the clear statement that if only 6 out of every million people will experience a break-in, then only 24 in a nation of 4 million need worry (simple math, the ratio of 6 to 1,000,000 is the same as the ratio of 24 to 4,000,000.) Her response is "I don't know where 24 came from."
In short, your time is being wasted here. Whether deliberately or not makes little difference.
In short, your time is being wasted here. Whether deliberately or not makes little difference.
jefnvk
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That is your opinion. Within arms reach, I have an M1 Garand, an 1903 Springfield, a K31 Swiss, a Ruger 10/22, and an AR15 (M16 without the auto capabilities). They cannot load themselves. They cannot do harm without human interaction. The worst they have done to me was tripped me.
If someone breaks in in the middle of the night, I am not too worried about them killing me with my weapon. For them to piuck up a foreign weapon in the dark, find the ammo and mags/enblocs, get it loaded, and kill me before I realize they are there would take a lot of luck on their part.
I am not too worried about kids playing with the guns. There are no young kids in this house. Both my brothers ahve their own firearms, they have no need to play with mine. Friends like to look, but they almost all have their own guns. The one friend that doesn't have any firearms experience gets to look while I am supervising, but he really has no interest anyways. And, while at my house, they aren't really left unsupervsed.
I'm not too worried about them going off while I am looking down the barrel. I obey the four rules, and the only accident I have ever had was while sliding my finger in the trigger guard with gloves on, and setting it off prematuerly. Even that shot only hit a few inches to the right, and no one could tell I didn't mean to do it.
I am not too worried about getting depressed and killing myself. There are plenty of other ways. Rope, water, knives, overdose on insulin, jumping headfirst out of my 2nd floor window, etc. Guns would just leave a big mess, and probably get all my families taken away for at least a short while. Not that I would ever commit suicide, it tkes away all hope of fixing whatever problem you have.
In other words, I am no more afraid of the guns that are sitting right next to me, than I would of a sex toy raping me (is that going over the line? I apologise if it is, seemed like a good analogy). or a rope strangling me, or of this screwdriver of stabbing me.
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