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Is it SOP for the military to scrounge up every last piece of missing ammo?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jefnvk, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. jefnvk

    jefnvk Well-Known Member

    Do they do this all the time? I can see retrieving the bombs, but why are they searching the area for every last 25mm cartridges?

    YUMA, Arizona (AP) -- About 300 Marine base workers walked shoulder to shoulder through a southern Arizona neighborhood Thursday in search of any stray ammunition from the crash of a bomb-laden Harrier jet.

    As each section was cleared, officials planned to let residents return to the last 52 homes still evacuated after Wednesday's crash in Yuma, said James Stover, the city's public affairs manager.

    Hundreds more evacuees had been allowed to go home late Wednesday, hours after the jet plunged into a backyard while trying to land at Marine Corps Air Station-Yuma, about 185 miles southwest of Phoenix.

    The pilot ejected safely before the crash, and one civilian on the ground had a minor cut. Two homes had structural damage, Marine Cpl. Michael Nease said.

    The plane's four 500-pound bombs were safely removed. They have devices to prevent detonation if they are accidentally dropped from the aircraft or hit the ground in a crash, Nease said.

    The plane was also carrying 300 rounds of 25-milimeter ammunition, none of which exploded.

    Stover said most of the ammunition had been accounted for. "This is again to make sure there are no loose ends," he said.

    The plane crashed and burst into flames about a mile from the base.

    Marine investigator were trying to determine what caused the crash, Nease said.

    The AV-8B Harrier, a light attack aircraft that can take off and land like a helicopter, was the fourth such jet from the Yuma air station to crash in 18 months. A Harrier crashed in Yuma on December 2 and two crashed in December 2003. In each case, the pilot ejected safely.
  2. Rebar

    Rebar member

    Liability. If some dunce finds one, puts it in a fire to "see what happens", and gets maimed/killed, then the marines would have to pay millions of dollars.
  3. slowworm

    slowworm Well-Known Member

    These are not 147 grain FMJs that they are looking for.

    Being 25mm and intended to air to air gunnery they may also be high explosive incendiary rounds.

    I for one would not want HEI rounds lying in my yard waiting for a 5 year old kid to find. Think of these as 25mm hand grenades perhaps it will make more sense.
  4. Blue Jays

    Blue Jays Well-Known Member

    Hi All-

    USMC response might also be a little different if a single live round of 25-millimeter ammunition was lost over a remote section of Alaskan wasteland. The military has been taking a journalistic beating from liberal bedwetters in the mainstream media lately, so they're likely taking special precautions.

    ~ Blue Jays ~
  5. jefnvk

    jefnvk Well-Known Member

    Makes more sense that way. I did not realize that these were explosive.
  6. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Well-Known Member

    Imagine running over one with your lawn mower heh. Though I don't think they have much grass to mow in that area.
  7. neoncowboy

    neoncowboy Well-Known Member

    USMC Harriers are ground attack planes...but same difference.

    Definitely not something you want to leave laying around in a residential neighborhood.
  8. Spreadfire Arms

    Spreadfire Arms Well-Known Member

    ill bet the military NCIS or similar group will be hitting the area surplus stores and gun shows, as well as the internet, to look for any missing rounds as well.

    they take this very seriously....
  9. Randy in Arizona

    Randy in Arizona Well-Known Member

    Are these 25mm rounds the same as the 25mm Bushmaster rounds fired by a Bradley Fighting Vehicle?
  10. Old NFO

    Old NFO Well-Known Member

    It's SOP to do walkdowns not only for ammunition, but other items including gauges, radios, switches, etc. And Spreadfire is right, they will be checking "everywhere" for anything that might show up... They will also recover and transport all of the basic airframe they recover.
  11. Hardware

    Hardware Well-Known Member

    but on the plus side the US would be the first country to put a lawnmower in orbit. :p :D
  12. Firethorn

    Firethorn Well-Known Member

    OldNFO has it.

    I'm in the air force, and have been at a base with a couple crashes. The paper might say 'looking for lost ammunition', but in reality, they're looking for everything from that plane down to the screws. Forensics, basically.

    And yes, 25mm rounds are a whole different ballgame from a few 5.56 or 9mm rounds.
  13. richyoung

    richyoung Well-Known Member

    How times change - I remember in the early nineties reading about an air museum that had aquired an early jet fighter (F-84, IIRC..) that had been an instructional airframe at a technical school for 25+ years. When they went to take it apart to truck it to the museum, they found it still had the cannons in it - LOADED! :eek: Lucky nobody at the school had crossed the wrong wires....
  14. WT

    WT Well-Known Member

    If I remember correctly, a Bradley IFV with a 25 mm gun took out an Iraqi tank.
  15. slowworm

    slowworm Well-Known Member

    I believe that they are dimensionally the same but the Bradley uses a different projectile optimized for the role.
  16. slowworm

    slowworm Well-Known Member

    Flying Lawnmower
  17. Bobarino

    Bobarino member

    if the rounds are tank buster rounds, aren't they Depleted Uranium? i don't think the military wants to be responsible for low level radio active waste laying about in the desert. they might end up with some three headed Gila Monsters or something.

  18. Old NFO

    Old NFO Well-Known Member

    No biggie, they'll just put em in Savannah River with the three toed fishes.... :neener:
  19. Tankcommander

    Tankcommander Well-Known Member

    I don't think they would be on a training flight with DU rounds, thats war shot saved for Iraq and points West. Any part might help with an accident investigation.

    Four planes down in one year doesn't sound good. The Harrier is a tough bird to fly.

    Last edited: Jun 18, 2005
  20. simon

    simon Well-Known Member

    Its just hear-say (third party) but a guy I know says one can go out to the choclate mtns. in CA. near the Az. border, at the aerial gunnery range, and pick up 20mm rounds off the ground, both live rounds and brass,dummy bombs,etc.

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