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Is the AR 'the' rifle of our times??

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by kbbailey, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. kbbailey

    kbbailey Well-Known Member

    Flintlocks, 1700s; half-stock caplocks, early 1800s; falling blocks, mid-late1800s; lever guns, late 1800s; bolt actions, early 1900s; autoloaders, mid 1900s;.....

    tell me....is the AR the rifle of the late 1900s-early 2000s???
  2. fatcat4620

    fatcat4620 Well-Known Member

    Yes in the US but in the world the AK owns that title.
  3. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Well-Known Member

    I would say yes. The interchangeability of AR-15s and after-market parts adds a dynamic to the rifle that hadn't been seen before. Mass produced guns allowed parts to be interchangeable, but generally only with the same part for replacement purposes. The AR-15 and it's plethora of after-market stocks, grips, sights, triggers, etc, makes it a true platform, not just a rifle. The uniqueness of the fact, and the subsequent popularity of the AR because of this, makes the AR-15 the classic rifle of our times. Even the AK is just a slightly modified design of earlier assault rifles, such as the StG44. The AK was remarkable in how many were produced, and it's reliability, but the technology that went into the gun was just a continuance of earlier firearms. The AK wasn't, and isn't still, a "platform". That AR is such, and because of this, I think it takes the top spot.
  4. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    Sure. I can switch out the BCG and magazine and shoot. 22 LR. I can push in two pins and replace a 5.56 upper with a 6.5 or. 450 or .458. I can shoot varmints of the 2- and 4- legged variety, shoot deer, or shoot bears or other large critters. I have the exact same control placement with all of them, and breakdown for cleaning is easy. Mounting different sights or a scope is no problem (with a flattop). They are usually light in weight.
  5. kbbailey

    kbbailey Well-Known Member

    ....in other words, fifty years from now, when your family looks at pictures of you holding an AR; are they going to say, "state of the art...2012"??

    btw, I don't have one. lol
  6. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    The AR is probably the leader among US sales of semi-autos.

    "The" rifle would likely depend on comparative sales numbers, with bolt-actions being the chief competitor for semi-autos as a group.

    Source for info? Maybe SAAMI? I don't know...
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    I'd guess the Ruger 10/22 leads it by a fur piece in sales.
    And then there is the Marlin Model 60 too.

    .22 RF ammo far exceeds any centerfire caliber sales by a very wide margin.

  8. adelbridge

    adelbridge Well-Known Member

    its been around for about 50 years now and its just hitting its stride in the civilian world. Military has been working on replacing it for ages.
  9. 68wj

    68wj Well-Known Member

    Yes! Especially now that it is becoming more accepted that there are multiple cartridge options beside the base model.
  10. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    The AR isn't getting replaced for service use any time soon, and neither is the 5.56mm.

    Yeah, it's pretty much the iconic, archetypal 'rifle' of the last thirty and next thirty years. Maybe longer.
  11. CmdrSlander

    CmdrSlander Well-Known Member

    Yes, and thanks to that, there is no national AWB in our near future (AR's are much too common now :))
  12. Driftertank

    Driftertank Well-Known Member

    In the spirit of the examples given by the OP, I suggest rather than giving the AR or AK as a specific example, that that this should be considered "The Age of the Modular Assault Rifle." After all, the original examples were not "The Brown Bess," "The Mauser 98," "The M1 Garand," but rather the TYPE of rifle those exemplify.
  13. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    But the AR is THE modular rifle, there isn't another one as modular and successful at the same time.
  14. RangerHAAF

    RangerHAAF Well-Known Member

    US shooters have gone for accuracy and the rest of the world reliability.
  15. 12gaugeTim

    12gaugeTim Well-Known Member

    I'd say so. It's the only rifle I know of that can shoot a massive variety of calibers, including (but not limited to) 50bmg, 338lm, and even crossbow bolts.
  16. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    All those are classes of firearms with many excellent makes/models of firearms within each class. The AR is another specific firearm within the class of lightweight, intermediate cartridge, gas-operated, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle. That class also includes the AK and others like the proposed replacements for the AR. The characteristic for this generation is the whole class typified by the AK and AR.
  17. Unistat

    Unistat Well-Known Member

    I would say rather; "US shooters have gone for training and the rest of the world simplicity."

    My reasoning is that, for the most part, the AK is made for and used by the uneducated and peasants. The US (and the rest of Western civilization) have a higher standard level of education that make the more complex and accurate AR a feasible choice for us.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that only dummies can appreciate an AK. I'm saying Kalashnikov created his rifle for a poor peasant army and Stoner created his for a highly trained force.
  18. CmdrSlander

    CmdrSlander Well-Known Member

    In the Soviet Union, the literacy rate hovered around 99% around WWII (according to another poster on here) so they were at least educated peasants
  19. mshootnit

    mshootnit Well-Known Member

    If you include the AR10 and the AR15 I would definitely say YES this is the rifle of our times. As a matter of fact every time I go to the rifle range there are a few there these days. Never used to be that way, and here's the kicker: I think this is still in the beginning phase. I think there's going to be a lot more AR's out there than we see even now. Heres the thing: $75 gets you the registered part of the weapon. The entire rest of the weapon gets delivered for you to assemble yourself. Who could resist that? Heck I spend more than 75 at the pump sometimes.
  20. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Well-Known Member

    The first guns were personalized to the maker. Each was a hand crafted piece with little commonality between individual guns. Then came the era where guns were personalized to the designer. Many identical guns were manufactured, but the design was still the brainchild of the initial maker. The user had no input.

    We are now in a time where guns are personalized to the user. Individual guns built from mass produced parts, but put together in the best manner the individual user wants. As mshootnit said, only the stripped lower receiver is necessary to be the "gun". Everything else can be purchased and put together based on what the individual user wants. This is heading in the right track. Since the shooter is the one who actually needs the gun, making it so it's best for his or her uses is the ideal. Since the AR is the first gun with such a wide array of user picked parts, it is truly a new type of firearm.

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