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Is this a trench gun reproduction or what?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by conw, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. conw

    conw Senior Member

    Aug 17, 2007
    "Norinco MD 97" on classicarms.us. If you wanna see it on the page, scroll down about 85%. http://www.classicarms.us/

    It seems to have a bit of a different config than most "trench guns" but the hammer, stock, trigger, and pump look the same compared to pics I've seen of actual Norinco trench gun repros.


    That's the image.

    Also, does anyone know if the Norinco MD 97 is capable of slam fire?

    PS, according to Google, the name of this gun may actually be Norinco M 97.

    Thanks for the help.
  2. HisDivineShadow

    HisDivineShadow Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    Thats a repro of the 1897 Winchester, but not the trench gun. Sure Norinco does the trench gun version as well but it seems hard to find in america for some reason, over here (Finland) both are available.

    And it's slamfire capable though I've heard the threading on the magtube can be weak or shallow enough to case the tube to come loose when slamfiring. I have never tried the gun though.
  3. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Sep 17, 2007
    Eastern KS
    A model 97 Winchester "Trench-Gun", by definition, would have a ventilated steel hand-guard and a bayonet locking lug.
    It would also have U.S. & Ordinance Bomb markings.

    One without the steel hand-guard/bayonet lug & military markings was called a Guard & Riot Gun by Winchester.

    By slam-fire, I assume you mean to ask if it has a trigger disconnecter or not?
    The model 97 Winchester did not, and I don't believe the NORINCO copy does either.
    So, yes, it will fire if you pump the action with the trigger held back.

    However, a true slam-fire involves an accidental & unintentional discharge when the action closes and the firing pin flies foreword with enough energy to set of a round.

    It's not the same thing as a gun without a disconnecter intentionally firing when pumped with the trigger held back.

    As for the weak mag tube on the NORINCO, it would make no differance at all whether you fired the gun normally with the trigger, or by pumping with the trigger held back.
    The recoil impulse on the mag tube joint would be exactly the same either way.

    If it is gonna break, it is gonna break regardless of how you fire it.

  4. smee781

    smee781 member

    Jun 14, 2007
    Yes it is a repo of the 1897 and Norinco makes both trench and this non trench model, I bought one of these and am going to get a repo heat shield out of shotgun news to put on mine.
  5. conw

    conw Senior Member

    Aug 17, 2007
    Thanks! Didn't know if it was an actual trench gun, as it lacked the shoulder thing that goes up.

  6. Z71

    Z71 Active Member

    Sep 2, 2007
    I just last Thursday picked up my new Chinese M97 riotgun clone.

    I ordered mine from AIM Surplus for $199. Mine was imported by TTN, doesn't say Norinco or China on it anywhere. Called a Model 1897 Old West.

    Stock is just a bit different from the one Classic Arms has pictured. Mine has a regular pistol grip, not rounded. The TTN M97 has chock tubes, but it just included one tube and no wrench. Supposidly standard tubes. Also has a chrome bore(Chinese like chrome bores!). Well machined and fitted as far as the metal parts. Wood is real walnut. Buttplate fits poorly, need to fit my buttplate a bit better. Shoots great!

    Although my new shotgun doesn't say Norinco, does have a triangle with 26 inside it, so pretty sure it's a Norinco. Does have CXC, P.R.C*TTN LA CA onthe barrel, besides the Model 1897 Old West. Don't know whatthe 'CXC' means, but the PRC likely stands for 'Peoples Republic of China".

    I checked the screws, lubed up the moving parts with Break Free and cycled the action a few times. Then took it out and have fired a full box of Winchester AA's from it in 2 different shooting sessions. Feeds and fires fine. Still a bit stiff, but getting better.

    I like my AIM/TTN shotgun, like it even better for $199!

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