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Isn't This ILLEGAL

Discussion in 'Legal' started by shotgunjoel, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    I was poking around youtube today and came across this little video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26ca-Unr-k&feature=channel_page
    Is this not considered a SBR because it is temporary like those rapid fire trigger cranks? Also is it not a forward pistol grip because it is temporary and a magazine? I'm just wondering.
  2. Auburn1992

    Auburn1992 Well-Known Member

    IIRC, you are right. You can't add a stock to a handgun AT ALL unless it's registered as an SBR. Same with the foreward grip.

    So unless this guy has it registered I am pretty sure it's illegal.
  3. It's targeted to law enforcement and their website says all over it that NFA rules apply:

    So no, it's probably not illegal as it sounds like they know enough to register it.

    But, I will confess your subject was very eye catching with the word "ILLEGAL" in all caps.
  4. misANTHrope

    misANTHrope Well-Known Member

    Illegal? No.

    NFA item? Yes.
  5. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    misANTHrope, that's what I meant, sorry about leaving that out.
  6. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Well-Known Member

    well it seems to be the dealer/manufacturer demoing it so its legal for him to own. but yes that would constitute a SBR unless a 16 inch barrel was included
  7. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    How much is the device?
  8. jakk280rem

    jakk280rem Well-Known Member

    neet toy. if i were at all into the nfa stuff, i might put this on the wish list. although, i'm not to crazy about the idea of using a spare mag as a fore grip.
  9. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I see little advantage of the idea. Rather than take the time to turn your pistol into a 'carbine', why not just grab your long arm?
  10. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    mljdeckard, their site says this way you don't need waste money on a carbine. This sounds great so long as you don't care about velocity, range, penetration, and such things.
  11. Loomis

    Loomis member

    You might be able to make the argument that the spare mag mounted to the accessory rail is NOT a forward grip, it's a spare mag holder. Kinda like the brass knuckles that have a hook soldered on for use as a belt buckle. It's not brass knuckles, it's a belt buckle.

    I'm not sure I'd try it though...not worth the risk.

    I don't see any argument for the shoulder stock though. Maybe put a belt loop on it and claim it's a holster?

  12. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Which is great for people who think that spending money for better range, velcity, and penetration is a waste of money and believe that handgun rounds are sufficient for self-defense.
  13. UhKlem

    UhKlem Well-Known Member

    Compared to a Keltec Sub2000 rifle this is slower to deploy, has a shorter sight radius, poorer sights (not a peep sight), poorer grip and ergonomics, more muzzle blast, more recoil, less muzzle velocity, and requires a $200 tax stamp in states where short barreled rifles are legal.

    If this were practical the HK VP70z would be a more common piece of tactical tupperware carp amongst the 'only ones' for whom NFA restrictions are a minor hassle.
  14. X9ballX

    X9ballX Well-Known Member

    wow that is a niice toy. i cant seem to fiind one on the net that dosnt go to a red9 or a mauser broomhandle(red9 and broomhandle are pretty much the same gun just diffrent caliber)maybe i'm not looking in the right place. maybe he made it himself. or maybe he bought it before certain laws were passed to keep him from getting that nowdays.

    any coments on getting one?
    i dont plan on getting one i'm just curious
  15. When part A is matched to part B, temporary or not, you've just "manufactured" an SBR - or so would be the BATFE's (probably winning) argument. Very illegal without proper paperwork / fees.
  16. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    X9BallX - There's not one other than that guy's, because he seems to be the manufacturer/developer of the device.

    If you're interested in getting one, the website linked on the youtube video is probably the best place to start.
  17. rfurtkamp

    rfurtkamp Well-Known Member

    That's actually fairly neat, tax stamps aside.

    Not that buying tax stamps has ever stopped me from getting fun toys before.
  18. PTK

    PTK Well-Known Member

    I hear that. I stopped caring at NFA item 10 or so... :)
  19. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

    Looks like the old style SKS folding stock from Tapco.
  20. Wait a sec....you mean you're "on the grid" and the BATmen haven't come and shot you in your home for no reason in 10 years time? Well, my buddy would never believe you. This is why he won't get NFA items.

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