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I've been debating with a few anti gun people lately

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by lionking, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. lionking

    lionking Well-Known Member

    On a couple forums. There have been a couple with good knowledge about guns and respond polite who take their opinion for whatever reason but I got to say the vast majority of them deflect the issue, use insults instead of challenging what they have been asked or shown, and who use stupid responses or questions like " should you be able to own a nuke then?"

    One of their most common responses is " the founders couldn't have envisioned such modern lethal firearms therefore the 2nd is outdated". Which I then respond " well if true then they couldn't have envisioned internet, TV and radio so therefore the 1st is outdated so should certain entertainers and radio people be fingerprinted and registered or banned and should certain video games be banned?"

    I don't support such measures but just saying. They won't respond to that though, they go back to deflecting and insulting. Don't bother trying to change these people's mind or show them the deceit that people like Cuomo or Feinstein use, you'll be wasting your time.

    I DID reach a co-worker who is a Obama supporter because of other issues though for him it being healthcare, I did reach him to understand the deceit and lies of anti-gunners so use your time on the unknowing and middle ground people instead. Forget about debating hardened anti gun people, use your time for better things like looking for the last .223 or 9mm in country.;)
  2. gearjammer-2000

    gearjammer-2000 Well-Known Member

    quite honestly I have found that I am not debating with the anti's
    its more like arguing with idiots
  3. lionking

    lionking Well-Known Member

    ^ Idiots who support very shrewd and deceitful politicians like Cuomo and Feinstein, remember the scene in the one Star Wars movie " this is how the republic dies, with thunderous applause".
  4. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    "If you are for gun control, then you're not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. You'll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up families, just to take away guns. So it's not that you're anti-gun, because [...] you'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns, so you're very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to have guns. So there's no such thing as gun control, there's only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions. Gun control is a misnomer." Stefan Molyneux
  5. Clean97GTI

    Clean97GTI Well-Known Member

    The most logically fallacious arguments I have encountered have not been on Democratic Underground.

    They have been right here.
  6. Twiki357

    Twiki357 Well-Known Member

    Debating with a gun control advocate is like talking to a brick wall. Every so often you may find a loose brick, but the wall never moves.
  7. Baba Louie

    Baba Louie Well-Known Member

    Whenever debating with anti rights people, always consider that not all of the original 13 colonies would even ratify the BORs. So the anti right's crowd have always been among us and always will be.

    Simply ask them, "Do you believe in inalienable rights? Do you own any arms?" follow up with Voltaires quote, "I believe in your right to free speech and while I do not agree with what you say, would fight and defend your right to the death." Because that will make you stand out from them and their crowd who cannot fight or defend others freedoms and rights. In fact they would prefer taking away rights of others first (perhaps... apparently) to make "their" lives "safe and secure" and screw Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Sad that.
  8. radiotom

    radiotom Well-Known Member

    Name some, please.
  9. Ohio Gun Guy

    Ohio Gun Guy Well-Known Member

    ^ stop with that, we've all seen it.

    Try the most popular thread going right now if you want a cited example, "NCIS"

    Please cite where you got "Name some please" from. Mr. 118 posts who is challenging something specific regarding common themes here. troll much?
  10. radiotom

    radiotom Well-Known Member

    Difficult to respond to a comment so asinine, but let me try.

    The democratic underground is pretty notorious for having despicable and illogical comments posted. I would simply like to see a small comparison of this and THR. Any website that allows anonymous comments will have stupid things posted. I think the mods do a pretty good job of cleaning up the crap here.

    Not to mention, if you think the situation here is on par with the democratic underground why do you frequent THR?
  11. Ohio Gun Guy

    Ohio Gun Guy Well-Known Member

    I know not this other site you troll of. Nice cozy up to the mods maneuver.
  12. Robert

    Robert Moderator

    I'd like to see a citation of these "logically fallacious" arguments. Does my request count? If someone is going to say that DU is more enlightened than THR or that the arguments on DU are more logical I'd like some specific examples to compare. It is the responcibility of the one makeing a claim to support their claim.
  13. ol' scratch

    ol' scratch Well-Known Member

    When it was still raw I was arguing with these people. I came to the conclusion that my time is better spent researching ways of thwarting their laws through civil disobedience, writing representatives and congressmen, thinking of ways to organize protests, and trying to discuss the issue with some of the FUDDS in my family to garner their support. The fools online are often trolls anyway. The more you feed them, the more they act like fools.
  14. ball3006

    ball3006 Well-Known Member

    I say I am for gun control. With gun control, I am able to hit the bullseye of the target. They just walk away.....chris3
  15. akv3g4n

    akv3g4n Well-Known Member

    I never understand the argument that the founders couldn't have known what future weapons would be developed so the 2nd amendment is no longer applicable to many modern firearms. Many of our founding fathers were inventors, entrepreneurs and innovators in their time. I'm pretty sure that people of their intelligence and determination were keenly aware of what the future of weapons development could bring.
  16. radiotom

    radiotom Well-Known Member

    I'm sure the thought of the government having those weapons and nobody else made them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
  17. GAF

    GAF Well-Known Member

    I debate, I do not argue. I debate with facts, logic and reason. If the other side of the argument does not want to have a civil discussion then I will not engage them at all. I`ll not be baited in their illogical unworkable schemes and talk.
  18. JustinJ

    JustinJ Well-Known Member

    Um, read the posts in this thread. Oh, the irony.
  19. SoCalNoMore

    SoCalNoMore Well-Known Member

    I would like to offer my thoughts on this. If the person allows you to talk without interrupting, I ask them this;

    Do you feel you are immune to crimes committed against you? Are you immune to someone breaking in to your home?

    What would you do if you are watching a movie on Friday night with your wife and children and someone knocks on the door, as you open it they kick it in. Are you going to run to a phone or reach for your gun that is under the couch? If you are a person that chooses to not have a gun, what would you do?

    Guns are not just about protection, hunting or sport. They are about individual sovereignty.

    In California where I grew up, in 1995 home invasion robberies in and around Whittier went from 1 a month to 3-5 a week because of the AWB.

    One last thought. When I was in the Sheriff's academy in San Bernardino, CA back in 1995 we were often trained in "scenarios" to help us prepare for the real world. During our crimes against person class we were told a story from the DA about a man that liked to have guns.

    Here is that story;

    A regular guy like us just got married. His wife wanted to have children, as did he. She stated that before they have kids, she would like to have the house gun free because as a child her brother at 5yo accidently discharged a .22 cal revolver in the house. Being a loving husband, he said he would lock up the guns, but she stood her ground. He sold the guns. about 10 months later the couple was sleeping in the middle class suburban home when 3 men broke in. They beat the husband and tied him up. Proceeded to sexually assault his wife while he watched. The assault was so bad she could no longer bear children.

    I ask any of you, could you live with yourself if this happened to you?
  20. SoCalNoMore

    SoCalNoMore Well-Known Member

    This is exactly what I did/am doing. My time is too valuable to spend it debating with closed minded people that are uninformed.

    We used to say that people like this have minds like cement. All mixed up and already set.

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