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"Jarhead" movie trailer

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MDG1976, Sep 17, 2005.

  1. MDG1976

    MDG1976 Active Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    Here's the trailer to the upcoming movie "Jarhead" based on Anthony Swofford's novel of the same name. I bought the book a few months ago but haven't read it yet. It'a about a marine in the Gulf War.
  2. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Mentor

    Dec 24, 2002
    United Socialist States of Obama
    I would have been happier without the rap music.
  3. M-Rex

    M-Rex member

    Aug 12, 2005
    Kalifornya Soviet Socialist Republic
    I've heard, on either Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, that it's tupposed to be an 'anti-Iraq-war' movie. Anyone else hear this same rumor?
  4. torpid

    torpid Participating Member

    Aug 12, 2004
    CA coast

    I did read the book.
    It was okay. Even though he was a sniper, he personally never shot anyone while there, so it's not an "action" oriented book. It looks like they kept many of the parts I found funny (unrecognizable as funny in the trailer if you haven't read it). He also went psycho a couple of times on himself and others.

    I'm more interested in Colby Buzzell's stuff from the current Gulf war, having read both authors, It will likely be a similar feel, but he was in the middle of a lot more "hot" combat than Swofford.

    I have NO recollection of the B-17 like formation of A-10s seen in the trailer though! :confused:

    Maybe it will make sense in the film.

  5. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 26, 2002
    I read the book and ended up throwing it in the trash when I was through. I never thought I would hear that much whining from a Marine.

    The book was highly anti-war about the first conflict (but to be fair, who didn't think that Iraq had every right to invade another country and pillage it?), so I would expect the movie to be more of the same.
  6. GGraff

    GGraff New Member

    Mar 30, 2005
    I have to agree with Mr. Roberts on this one. Read it and just wanted to slap the guy and ask him for a refund.
  7. kihnspiracy

    kihnspiracy New Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    I read the book. I want my $$$$$ back. Although I served in a different branch, the Marines I knew were patriotic, honest and sincere about their jobs. After reading that piece of trash, I have decided that never seen a bigger display of whining in my entire life. What a !!!!!! :cuss: I am damn glad that he is not an accurate example of Marines we have today.
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  8. Remander

    Remander Member

    Feb 16, 2003
    I read the book a year or so ago, and I enjoyed it.

    I don't judge books on whether they echo my political views. I read them for pleasure and to broaden my perspective by hearing the views of others, especially those persons who were actually involved in an event such as a war.

    I'll make up my mind on issues after reading lots of views from several observers.

    Swofford was there and has a story to tell. If others who were there have a different view to share and can write an interesting account, I'll likely enjoy that version as well.
  9. geegee

    geegee Active Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    North Texas
    I've never read it and was never a Marine, but I have yet to hear one good word said about it from a Marine. That's about all I need to know.
  10. crucible

    crucible Member

    May 5, 2004
    Sterling, Va
    I just finished reading it (again) a few weeks ago, and also enjoyed it.

    Not because I agree with all of his conclusions or even some of his Corps experiences (I don't). But I enjoyed it for it's depiction of the comradery (or sometimes a distinct lack therof) there serving in the Corps can generate and the acccording portrayal of the same in the First Great Sandbox War: humorous, sad, incredulous, maddening, rewarding, way cool, sucking ass, frightening, kickass, honorable, flabbergasting, dishonorable, and a billion of other adjectives all rolled up into one. (FWIW, I was in both that conflict and the USMC too, and remember a good deal of similar experiences as he wrote of during that time).

    Every Marine I ever knew had thier own opinions and feelings on a variety of subjects-and many of them weren't shy about telling them to each other either. (Bitching in the military is an art form folks, an art form). Swofferd just happened to write a book on his (good, bad and ugly in thier rawest form).

    I happen to agree with him on one point: necessary of not, war sucks, and no one likes to fight less than the folks who have to do it. That said, the USMC, the finest fighting force the world has ever seen, is an interesting paradox of that idea: love to fight and deadly as hell at it, but hate it all at the same time. I think this is much of what Swoffered expresses in a round-about fashion, but in the same breath admit that I do find some of his ending comments off base.

    Whatever though.

    If you think that Marines can't and don't have differring personal opinions, feelings and experiences on any number of things (mostly shared among themselves), and yet maintain an overall patriotic, sincere and deadly professionalism at the same time as the Marine that they are, well, I guess you really don't know many Marines, and didn't believe me when I said that bitching is an art form in the military.

    While I can in fact see how some of his book might be viewed as over-whining and perhaps some is, I tend to see much of it as military bitching in an USMC-specific setting, just not normally communicated to the rest of the world in such a frank and public fashion.

    Oh yea: the only formations of aircraft I saw like that were during the parade in DC sometime after the war. During it, I mostly recall seeing pairs and sometimes several pairs of both heli's and fast movers. We can't avoid hollywood injecting thier....falseness in this movie anymore than any other I reckon.

    (FWIW: an outstanding book I recommend about the latest conflict one is called: The March Up, Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division by Bing West and USMC ret. Major General Ray Smith. ISBN 0-553-80376-x.)

    IMO. YMMV. Blah, blah.

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  11. Drizzt

    Drizzt Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Moscow on the Colorado, TX
    The true story behind "Jarhead" -- Greenville mom takes issue with book, movie
    Thursday, November 03, 2005
    By Ted Roelofs
    The Grand Rapids Press

    GREENVILLE -- Diantha Eldridge remembers all the Marines in their crisp dress blues, how they came to her home in Greenville in 1992 to pay respects to her son.

    Although he signed the funeral guest book, she has no memory of one certain Marine -- Anthony Swofford, author of "Jarhead," a gritty account of the Gulf War and now a major movie, opening Friday.

    She does take issue with the book's depiction of her son, Marine Lance Cpl. Troy Collier. Eldridge said she tried to reach Swofford to give him a piece of her mind.

    "We would have had a talking-to," she said. "A lot of things in there aren't true."

    Collier is a major figure in Swofford's book, a battlefield comrade credited with saving the author from suicide. But Eldridge and other Greenville-area residents are convinced Swofford's account of their town and the events surrounding his funeral is as much fiction as fact.

    As for the movie, the name Troy Collier no longer exists. A major character in the film, "Allen Troy," played by actor Peter Sarsgaard, appears to be a composite character that includes elements of Troy Collier. One of the movie's final scenes depicts a funeral for Allen Troy, though the movie doesn't reveal how he died.

    The real-life Troy Collier died Feb. 23, 1992, killed instantly about 7:30 a.m. when he lost control of his 1989 Nissan pickup and slid off M-91, striking several trees. He was 22.

    Eldridge said her son, a 1987 graduate of Greenville High School, had been out of the Marines just two months when he died. He was on his way to work as a nurse's aide at an adult foster care home in Saranac.

    When she learned about the book "Jarhead," which made the 2003 New York Times bestseller list, Eldridge felt like she lost her son a second time.

    "I was devastated when I read some of the things in that book," she said. "Things rushed back at me. I felt like I was going through his death all over again."

    Except for the scenes set in Greenville, Eldridge, 56, said she didn't read much of the book, a blunt, profanity-laced account of the Gulf War and the Marine subculture.

    Eldridge said she was most troubled by this comment of Swofford about her son: "I also knew that just like me, he believed in no God."

    Eldridge recalled that her son "wasn't very happy" after he got out of the Marines and came back home to live. He was studying to be a nurse at Muskegon Community College and still piecing together life after his time in the military.

    But on this, she is adamant: "Troy did believe in God. Troy went to church after he came home. Nobody made him."

    The book recalls his burial at a Greenville cemetery on a bitterly cold day with below-zero wind chill, an inch or two of snow on the ground. Eldridge said it was unusually mild, the ground not even frozen, the day she buried her son.

    Later, the book recounts how Swofford and the other Marines decided to go for a drink at a "bar in the basement of an antique shop."

    There's no such bar in Greenville, but locals agree that was most likely a bar called Legends, in the basement of the Winter Inn.

    They are skeptical about what "Jarhead" says happened there. The story recounts a spectacular fight between the Marines and about a dozen local toughs. One of the Marines is insulted, the book says, and the Marines soon are taking on all comers, busting chairs and breaking bottles over heads. Swofford says he threw the instigator of the fight over the bar in a crash of broken bottles.

    Barry Thornton, partial owner of the Winter Inn, was an ID checker at the entrance to the bar at that time. He recalls a fight involving some Marines or Army soldiers, but nothing like that account. The bar closed about nine years ago.

    "I remember a lot of glasses got broken," he said. "But there was no time when anyone got thrown behind the bar. I don't recall anything where glasses were ever broken over anyone's head. I would remember that."

    The book also recounts how the police came and took them into their cars and told them they should leave town the next day.

    Bruce Schnepp, Greenville's director of public safety and a lifelong resident of Greenville, said he has no recollection of anything like that.

    Though she differs with much of "Jarhead," Eldridge said the book does get one thing right about Marine life.

    "They all did a lot of drinking. They were always drinking. That part is true."


    now, to be fair, I'm sure there's plenty of former military out there whose mothers may not know a lot about how they did or didn't act while on active duty...
  12. SlimeDog

    SlimeDog New Member

    Feb 26, 2004
    FYI - the September 21st issue of a Marine newspaper called RotoVue has the following blurb on Jarhead:

    "Jarhead is a film adaptation of Anthony Swofford’s novel of
    the same name. After hitting bookstores in December 2003, the
    manuscript made its rounds through the Corps and was met with
    some controversy. The bitter memoir of a sniper in the Persian
    Gulf War is an unyielding examination of the terror of war and
    leads the young Marine depicted in the book to question
    everyone and everything, including the Marine Corps. The film
    version of the book follows Gyllenhall (The Day After Tomorrow)
    through boot camp and into a war he doesn’t fully understand
    while fighting an enemy he can’t see. Foxx (Ray, Collateral)
    plays a hardcharger who leads his sniper platoon into battle.
    They’re also joined by Chris Cooper (American Beauty, The
    Patriot) and Peter Sarsgaard (Skeleton Key, Kinsey) in a star-
    filled cast that brings the movie an air of credibility. After
    viewing the trailer, the film looks to be a cross between Full
    Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now. Once word gets out about this
    movie, Marines in the Jacksonville area are sure to fill the
    theaters, so be prepared for long lines and sold out showings.
    To view the film’s trailer or for more information visit

    The link is: http://www.newriver.usmc.mil/PDF ROTOVUE/043-21sep05H.pdf

    (Note that it's a slow download).

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  13. mohican

    mohican Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    somewhere in the buckeye state
    I started to read his blog while he was still "in country", and nameless
  14. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Senior Member

    May 5, 2004
    Okay, I know it's from a reviewer who (a) doesn't know diddley and (b) probably can't write anything very well anyway, but ...

    Since snipers work in pairs and spend 99% of their time trying diligently NOT be be seen or detected by the enemy, how, exactly, does a "hardcharger" (one word?) lead an entire platoon of snipers into battle?
  15. JAG2955

    JAG2955 New Member

    Oct 13, 2005
    I've seen the trailer

    And every time I see it, I still laugh my head off when I hear:

    "I thank God for every day in the Corps......oorah."
  16. Tierhog

    Tierhog Member

    Jul 2, 2003
    Forks, Wa

    The Marine Corps has battalion level sniper platoons called STA.. Stands for "Surveillance, Target Acquisition", very good at what they do, I knew several of them during the Gulf War, good people all.
  17. ocabj

    ocabj Senior Member

    Jan 22, 2003
    Riverside, CA
    I'm not a Kanye West fan, but "Jesus Walks" is a very good song. You should listen to it sometime if you haven't heard the whole thing.
  18. civilian

    civilian New Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    seems like good entertainment, and i like foxx - probably go see it this weekend.
  19. outofbattery

    outofbattery Active Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Read Shooter by Jack Coughlin.
  20. MDG1976

    MDG1976 Active Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    I've almost finished the book now. It SUCKS. 300 pages of whining. I can't believe this guy was a Marine. The movie has to be better than the book.

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