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John Wayne Oct American Rifleman

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ARGarrison, Sep 23, 2007.

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  1. ARGarrison

    ARGarrison Well-Known Member

    Those of you in the NRA who get the American Rifleman know what I'm talking about. The October issue is loaded with John Wayne firearms infromation. The Duke's Colt by Gary Paul Johnson is a great read. I'd read somewhere before about his personal Colt he used through many movies. It was well woren with much of the writing woren away in places. The article goes on to tell more of the story behind the classic Colt.

    Another article covers FN-Browning's two new Winchester model 92 John Wayne 100th Anniverary Winchesters. It mentions Winchester's commemortive John Wayne loads in .45 Colt, .44-40 WCF, and .30-30 Win. A sidebar tells of the "Stagecoach" model 92 sold this year at auction. It is a SBR with a 15 1/2" barrel. Intesting to note it was not a classic .44-40 WCF, but a .32 WCF. Selling price $113,000.

    A follow up article talks about other commemorritive John Wayne firearms.
  2. charlie-6

    charlie-6 Well-Known Member

    Read that also like all the jw stories.
  3. Ron James

    Ron James Well-Known Member

    I just read the American Rifleman, Lets see if I understand the story, A Belgium company, is having a Winchester build in Japan, to honor John Wayne, an American right wing icon. Somehow I sense a little irony:)
  4. Abndoc

    Abndoc Well-Known Member

    Now thats a global economy!
  5. dmftoy1

    dmftoy1 Well-Known Member

    I read those articles and enjoyed them as well. My only disappointment was that they didn't make the rifle cheap enough that I could buy one and shoot the bejesus out of it . . ..rather than buying it as a safe queen.

    Have a good one,
  6. Joe Demko

    Joe Demko Well-Known Member

    John Wayne was a celluloid hero. Cast zinc non-firing replicas would be more appropriate.
  7. Hunter0924

    Hunter0924 Well-Known Member

    Go easy on what you say about John Wayne. He is a true American Hero.
    Remember the glass house rule.
  8. Ron James

    Ron James Well-Known Member

    All heroes have feet of clay.
  9. Dale53

    Dale53 Member

    I have no ax to grind regarding John Wayne. However, during WW II he stayed home while MANY others from Hollywood joined up in the fight for freedom. He made millions while others risked their lives for their country.

    So, he is anything BUT a hero. Lee Marvin was in the Marines, and my all time favorite Hollywood type was General (yeah, that is correct, General) in the United States Air Force (was in WW II, Korea, and I believe Viet Nam). Take a look here:


    Compared to these fine gentlemen, Wayne was an opportunist.

    Don't get me wrong, I still have enjoyed his movies very much, but he is NOT a hero (something considerably less).

  10. 35Rem

    35Rem Well-Known Member

    Yeah, so what if he stayed behind and told the stories of the fighting men so Americans would know what was going on and the sacrifices being made.
    Don't forget about what John Wayne stood for after WWII, all through the Cold War, while the rest of Hollywood turned into a bunch of Communist lovers.
    Too bad there aren't anymore like him standing up for America....Nahh, he wasn't a hero.:rolleyes:
  11. dmftoy1

    dmftoy1 Well-Known Member

    I can't say I've thoroughly researched this topic, but I seem to remember that John Wayne tried to enlist in all 4 branches and was turned down as 4F. Something to do with a back injury while playing college football. At least that's what sticks in my head.

  12. ceetee

    ceetee Well-Known Member

    Just like anything else, it seems like it was an extremely personal decision for Wayne, and given his circumstances, a decision anyone of us could have made.

    Link to source
  13. Werewolf

    Werewolf Well-Known Member

    He was an actor (and not a very good one) - that's all. Made entertaining movies. To call him a hero denigrates the memories of all the real heroes out there.

    To his credit I seem to recall reading a story about him that he was 4F due to a childhood injury of some kind and that he did try to enlist in WWII but was turned down. He made a lot of movies during the war that were probably instrumental in both recruiting and keeping up the morale of folks on the home front BUT! That hardly makes him a hero.
  14. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Well-Known Member

    He was a hero. Just because someone isn't a Marine or Soldier, or other branch doesn't mean he can't be a hero.

    He did more for this country portraying what America could be then being one single soldier.

    People joined the military because of him, people looked up to him, people said, that's who I want to be. He gave people someone to look up to and aspire to be like, unlike so many of today's actors.

    In a time when people needed heroes, he made us believe.

    And that's what a hero does.

    John Wayne is without a doubt, a true American Hero.
  15. Werewolf

    Werewolf Well-Known Member

    There's no doubt that John Wayne influenced the course of WWII in the Allies favor. But that doesn't make him a hero. He did nothing outside the scope of his job as an actor that was especially extraordinary and probably made not a few bucks doing it.

    Was he a good man? Probably
    Was he a great man? Maybe though not in my opinion
    Was he good actor? Yes
    A great actor? Not according to the Academy - his Oscar was one of those they give away just for lasting a long time.

    But neither being good nor great qualifies one as a hero. And one's status as an actor even less so.
  16. StopTheGrays

    StopTheGrays Well-Known Member

    He got Best Actor in 1969 for "True Grit".

    You are thinking of the Peoples Choice Award he got in 1976.

    I would not consider him a hero either, an American icon maybe just due to how many people associated him with the USA.
  17. Nekron

    Nekron Well-Known Member

    Today, the word "hero" has to be one of the most misused words, along with "literally", in the English language; they've both lost their meaning.

    I suppose that maybe, just maybe, he's not a hero in the text book definition of the word but he sure as hell was (and still is) an inspiration to many.

    The only thing that surprises and saddens me is how many in this thread are taking a dump on John Wayne. It kind of turns my stomach.
  18. Joe Demko

    Joe Demko Well-Known Member

    John Wayne was every bit as much of a hero as Donald Duck. DD made some very stirring WWII films, too. Der Furher's Face stands with anything Marion did.
    If you like his movies, that's fine with me; I don't.
    Read the intro article in that issue of American Rifleman. Note that the author is careful to be clear that John Wayne was a movie hero. The article about his personal revolver indicates there is some question whether he ever fired more than blanks from it.
    A good many actors whose work I respect more than Wayne's had some bonafides. Wayne was a college athlete who lost his scholarship when he hurt himself bodysurfing. So he turned to movies. Never a soldier. Never a cowboy. Just a football player, then actor.
    As for the commemorative guns, I can't fault the marketers for trying to make a buck off a guy who made millions for the studios during the war. I just won't be buying one.
  19. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Well-Known Member

    Why does it seem that a simple thread about John Wayne and guns turns in a personal attack on a actor who is no longer alive and can't defend himself?

    Some seem to think that unless you are tossing grenades or running into a burning building, your no hero.

    Hero is a very subjective term.
  20. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    That's like saying my grandfather was an "opportunist" because he didn't ditch his wife and kids to volunteer at age 36. The War Dept. didn't want married men with families to run off to the war for a great many very good reasons. They had a draft system to sort out who would be called and in what order. Besides, Wayne did as much in practical terms for the war effort by making patriotic movies than other celebs did in active service.

    That said, I wouldn't call him a hero either. And neither would he. The only title he EVER wanted was "AMERICAN." That's it. He was no great paragon of virtue, nor did he ever claim to be. He was just an actor who had some great roles and some real stinkers. In his declining years and esp. since his death he's become some kind of bizarre patron saint for the right wing and a favorite target for the left. In real life his political activities were mostly confined to fighting the VERY REAL communist influences in Hollywood. Other than a general pro-American point of view he had no broad agenda. By modern standards he'd be something of a moderate.

    John Wayne as become a symbol, and increasingly the symbol has nothing to do with the man. Wayne certainly wasn't the frothing, Indian-hating loonatic the left portrays. Nor was he the Great Man the right seems to wish he had been. In both cases the political factions are confusing Wayne's roles with Wayne. Wayne the actor was a persona he put on. Wayne off the lot was very private, and for the most part we really don't know anything about him.
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