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Oh... the point isn't that I want more barriers up. People who choose to carry should take it upon themselves to become proficient with their weapon. I just think that anyone carrying should be much better than SC laws require. To qualify in SC, you only have to *hit* the B27 target (anywhere on the target) 35/50 times.
 
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Texas Method Suites Me Fine

If it were any easier, the "law abiding citizens" would be joined by a wave of non-law abiding citizens. If you've got nada to hide..why make it easier for an army of scum bags to legally pack? They carry sans license for the most part anyway.

Even the marginally acceptable could "go off" on a Houston or San Antonio free-way in a moment of road rage. And, in fact have. No thanks. I say keep the current system in place in Texas. From the day I took the class to the day my license arrived in the mail: 5 weeks. I can live with that.

Go Spurs!

Take Care
 
SC here, too.....got a 100% on both the written and shooting sections (we shot 10 rounds in five-shot groups at 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 yards at a B-27). What I really didn't care for with the shooting part was the people who were not following the directions. Our instructor didn't want you to actually aim, but to point, and you were also to fire rapidly. Some of the guys were so afraid of getting low scores that I would fire off all five of my rounds and have my gun holstered before they were done with their second or third shot. My wife took the course with me, also, and was getting a kick out of how quickly I was shooting and reholstering before they were finished. There was one guy shooting so slow and getting such a small group, that the instructor actually singled him out and informed him that he had paid for "the whole target". My wife was getting frustrated because her shots weren't as good as the other guys, but I informed her that in a gun fight, she'd have shot them twice before they ever got a round off, so she'd be the one still standing.....which is your goal.
 
They didn't give us our scores on the TX range qualification when I took it. They said the rules had changed and it was pass/fail with the score neither disclosed nor recorded. From what I saw on my target I scored about 235, but I wasn't focusing much, just going for COM hits and focusing on working the safety perfectly on the new 1911 I was using.
 
Serious Question

At the range (Glock .40) for my CHL, and now at home with my KAHR P9 (Great little concealment weapon) I find it vey difficult to load my clips. Granted, I suffer from a degenerative muscle disease (not ALS..Post Polio), so I'm slowly losing strength..but I still have a strong grip and no other strength related problems with my hands.

The qualifying range was my first experience with a semi-auto..a S&W .357 model 65-3 my long time Pal.

Are the springs all that strong..?

Also, how long can you keep a full clip before the spring's integrity is compromised?

Lot's of questions I realize..but very important to me.

Thanks..

Take Care
 
Mag springs don't usually go bad from sitting around loaded, if they aren't too badly squished. It's loading and unloading them where the metal fatigue really happens.
 
If it were any easier, the "law abiding citizens" would be joined by a wave of non-law abiding citizens. If you've got nada to hide..why make it easier for an army of scum bags to legally pack? They carry sans license for the most part anyway.

:confused: The non-law abiding would join in a wave to comply with the law? Like they do with drugs? Or raping people and robbing convenience stores? Laws only affect the law abiding. The law abiding should be left alone to do whatever they want to do. :)
 
Not That Easily Defined I'm Afraid

Lowering the requirements, IMO, would indeed allow a less desireable segment of socity into the CHL number. Like a good brisket, Texas' proceedure is Just Right. Not too invasive...and not that easy to obtain.

There is a population group that would jump at the chance to obtain a CHL.. were it not for what amounts to the really benign back ground check required here in Texas.

"Grey Area" is a phrase that's used often because it covers just the people I refer to.

Thanks
 
Perfect

In FL my course of fire was ONE SHOT to show you know enough to operate the gun. I shot at a target with dozens of holes in it already from previous members of our class. Instructor didn't even glance at the target. Simply said "pass". Now I am an accomplished shooter, the target was typical man sized, and about 10 feet away. I was looking but darned if I could tell where I hit. Now I are a gunman.
Actually seems to be reasonable to me. Do we want to disqualify folks from protecting themselves with an arbitrary test, when a good shot can shoot a bystander with a slight miss also??
 
Lowering the requirements, IMO, would indeed allow a less desireable segment of socity into the CHL number.

Well, I've lived in Texas now for the last 7 years, but I grew up in Georgia. Based on what I see, I don't think Texas people are much different from Georgia people. In Georgia, as I stated before, there is no training or qualification necessary, just a background check and a filing fee (iirc less than about $30). I've never heard of any problems there with "shady" characters getting permits and committing crimes with them, and I'm pretty sure that the media of any state would blare a story like that from the rooftops given the opportunity.

ETA: of course, I think even Georgia's system is too invasive. ;)

Also ETA: sorry for the hijack
 
I think mine was just hit the black 20 times, and you'er done. So using 1911 8 rounders, it was a three mag IPSC style bullet dump at 7 yards. I passed by a good bit, but still finished way before everyone else.
 
Hypothetical

If you rated a state's requirements to obtain a CHL (1 being the easiest)..

I'd prefer the 5 to 7 range myself for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Like a kitchen strainer traps the garbage.

As for the "Media", I spent 35 years in those trenches and not one (1) local or national outlet would shout Anything from the roof tops without the owner's OK.

Regardless of the story, it would never see day light should it disagree with the owner's stance.

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Lowering the requirements, IMO, would indeed allow a less desireable segment of socity into the CHL number. Like a good brisket, Texas' proceedure is Just Right. Not too invasive...and not that easy to obtain.
*sigh*

Okay, let me put this as kindly as I possibly can: what you just said was very selfish and elitist.

Silly, too, because as has already been pointed out, criminals don't bother with the law.

"Not too invasive" means, "it doesn't affect me." But it does affect other people, people you referred to as "a less desireable segment of society." Someone more blunt would have called them "poor people" -- folks who can't afford to jump through expensive and utterly unnecessary hoops in order to exercise a basic human right.

Folks like my next door neighbors, good, hard-working folks who live in a very poor rural community and who are raising a passel of kids on hand-me-downs and boiled dishrag soup. I was talking to the mom awhile back, and the subject of guns came up. I told her about the free classes at the shooting range up the hill, and she was absolutely thrilled to hear about 'em. Then she asked, "How hard is it to get a carry permit here?"

In WA, it's not hard at all. You go in, let 'em take your paw prints, give 'em a half-century note, and wait a few weeks. No hassle, no required classes. But there is that fifty dollars' tax to be paid.

I told her that. She sighed and said, "Well, I have to buy groceries this pay cycle because the garden's not producing enough yet. Maybe I can save up for it, and get it a couple months from now."

But she knew -- and I know from observation -- that they'll have some minor emergency, like a broken car or a kid who needs a trip to the doctor, and she won't be able to pay the government for the enormous privilege of carrying her personal property with her when she leaves the house.

The pathetic thing is, if they were freeloaders on the system, they'd be getting food stamps and free medical, and would probably have the spare cash to pay the tax on protecting themselves. They aren't, so they don't. That "not too invasive" tax keeps them from being able to exercise a basic human right.

And well meaning folks like you think this is a good thing.

pax

Every radish I ever pulled up seemed to have a mortgage attached to it. -- Ed Wynn
 
Well said, Pax.

Like GunPacker, I only had to fire a single shot into a torso target at 3 yards. The target was completely riddled with holes and the only way to fail the test seemed to be to cover the instructor with the barrel of HIS Sp101. Needless to say, I didn't.

But a couple of people did. :eek:
 
Pax

Washington? I live in South Texas where the border is a joke! You need guns..but you need guidelines to keep guns out of the hands of the endless wave of aliens and the people. Endless.

Here's the bottom line: I respect your participation in this, but really have to question your interpretation of my post.

Silly? Maybe to you. Very serious to us so close to the Mexican Boarder...and the San Antonio INS HQ 1 mile away. I've seen people there you would not want to Hand a gun to!

Elitist? :O) Hardly. It's your interpretation..but waay off target!

Thanks for the input..after all, it'd be mighty dull with a bunch of bobble heads!

Thanks, Pax
 
They didn't give us our scores on the TX range qualification when I took it.
Yeah, I didn't actually get mine, either (In TX. I'm in OK for schoolin'). They've been doing the pass/fail thing for quite some time. We didn't actually get a score on the written test, either. Obviously all of that information might someday come up in court, so it is destroyed right after testing.

But, since the instructor went over the questions missed on the written test, and I could plainly see my target (I have good eyes), I know just how I did.
 
Difficult To Compare Texas To Washinton Re:CHL

Because of our large geographic size and population, electoral importance and our proximity to Mexico, Texas' experience with concealed carry has come under sustained attack. Pax, you're not alone in your views.

Before passage, opponents predicted a decline in public safety, with minor incidents escalating into killings as the concealed carry law placed more guns in irresponsible hands. Further, critics claimed that criminals would be undeterred by an increase in armed citizens. Both predictions were Wrong.

And the Reason for that..in large part...are the CHL requirements here in the Lone Star State...larger than many countries..and all but 1 state!:O)

Thanks
 
We didn't get our scores on the range portion of the test in 2003. I lost track of where I was hitting after the ragged hole in the middle of the target got too big to spot individual hits... :p and that was with my Kimber Ultra...!

As far as the difficulty in getting a CHL in TX, it has gotten easier and cheaper and is good for longer, now, than it was in 2003. At least cheaper for some--not all. It is still expensive for most folks I will admit, but there are plenty of 'loopholes' to cut the price. Plus our reciprocity has improved dramaticaly in the last 2 yrs too.

Pax, maybe you could help your neighbor raise some funds for her ticket. Have a 2-family garage sale with her or something. Or if the woman is 'crafty' like making blankets/quilts etc, maybe offer to sell some at the office for her? OR sell stuff for her on eBay.
 
Illegal aliens wouldn't be albe to pass a background check, and obviously don't care about the law, so, the CCW laws, whatever they are, are never going to matter to them anyway.
 
PAX, I "heart" you.
Please come home, re-cross the border. The land of ID is empty now.

Back on topic.

Hey TX CCL folks. I ask again, are lasers allowed during your qualifications?
 
From Our Pals At The NRA

"In 1998 and again in 1999, the Violence Policy Center, a research organization opposed to concealed carry (Editor`s note: VPC seeks a total ban on handgun ownership), released reports highlighting the numbers of Texas` concealed carry licensees who have been arrested since the law went into effect. Using Texas Department of Public Safety records, the center pointed out that Texas licensees had been arrested for nearly two crimes a day through 1998--with more than one arrest each month for a violent crime.
In isolation, these numbers paint a troubling picture.

However, the reports are misleading for several reasons. First, they do not separate crimes that involve concealed weapons from those that don`t. In addition, they ignore the fact that more than 55 percent of licensees arrested for violent crimes are cleared of the crimes for which they are arrested. Most tellingly, when the arrest rates of Texas` concealed carry holders are compared with those of the general population, licensees are found to be more law-abiding than the average person."...NRA

IMO, that's because the Texas Test is constructed to assure that very statistic.

Thanks
 
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