Just took concealed carry class in Missouri

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I have my name on the list for the crossfire range in claycomo. I am getting a Florida Non-Resident permit since I am 21 and you have to be 23 to get a Missouri permit. I actually don't even have to take the class to get the Florida permit since they will take my Hunters Education safety certificate. I still intend on taking the course though.



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Baba Louie and others:

No need to wait "until the state puts out actual guidelines" on courses before you take one. The requirements are written in the law. If your sheriff won't take a course certificate issued by an instructor in a different county, he will be sued and compelled to do so. That said, take it easy on these guys. They're scrambling to be ready Oct. 14 since they didn't bother to listen to us on May 5 when we told them it wouldn't matter if Holden vetoed the law as we had enough votes to override. (If Holden hadn't vetoed, they'd be even worse off. He vetoed two DAYS before the law would have taken effect. Sheriffs had made NO prep.

A meeting with the Sheriff's Association Friday 9/19 determined they would have a draft of a standardized certificate by end of business today (Greg Jeffery and I did one in Powerpoint for them and they want it to look a little different.) Expect a final version within 10 days, downloadable from their website.

Regarding the whole being sued thing: Yes I'll testify you took the course and what it entailed. But that's not a big deal. Don't be afraid of your own shadow here. I'll give you the same request I gave the undecided about carry in Missouri: Don't spend all your time dreaming about what could in theory happen. Look at what HAS happened in other states. How often does a licenseholder get sued after shooting a BG? Very very seldom, and almost always because he used deadly force when it wasn't justified, like shooting a guy in the back running off with his TV set. Remember the engineer's creed: "When the results don't conform to the theory, believe the results and come up with a new theory."

All this is discussed IN DEPTH in my course.

The licensing course is to get you in compliance with the MO requirements. It is NOT an advanced course like Thunder Ranch (those are available.) Think driver's ed to meet the State requirement for driving, not the Bondurant or Skip Barber schools for advanced training. The hours required to get a pilot's license are very low compared to the hours that most employers consider indicative of being a skilled, experienced pilot.

That said, I just finished my second Missouri class and got a lot of very positive comments from people with decades of shooting experience. Since I've got to be with you for 8 hours, I figure I might as well give you the best, most interesting class that I can. I have another class Tuesday 9/23 that is full, and one Wed. 9/24 that has openings.

You can make a career of "What if?" Let me pose another What if:

What if you get tagged legally after a shooting and in court the prosecutor says "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what kind of man would go to a course called the 'Lethal Force Institute?' The defendant was just ITCHING to kill some poor soul, and he even had his legal defense all lined up in advance. Any normal person would have just read the law--it's quite clear--and known when the use of deadly force was justified. This man wanted to use force when it WASN'T justified, to get away with murder. Don't let him do it."

The above scenario is *at least* as likely as the scenario of getting in trouble for using handloads in a shooting (which has never happened up to this point.)

Email me if you need a Missouri course in the St. Louis area soon.

www.john-ross.net

Follow the link.

JR
 
Kamicosmos,
I would be interested in taking some kind of class as well if I could get the time off work. If you try to get some guys together consider me.

It cost $175 for the class that I took

John Ross,
I looked at your web site and you have to say the least a very outstanding deal on you class. To bad you don't live in KC.
 
There is a training facility in SW MO that will give an in-depth CCW class that will cover the basic requirement plus give the students a little better idea of what to actually do with their sidearms and how to carry them. Although they haven't posted anything on their site yet, they have had lesson plans drawn up since 1995 for it and they should be starting before too long. It will be a two day/16 hour course. The school has been in operation for years and years and is less well-known in public circles than the Chapman Academy but has a good following and they provide training all over the country. I won't post any more about my experiences with it over the years on a public forum but I'll answer any questions that anyone might have via e-mail. They have been reluctant to put up a web site and their site is not the greatest but it contains some information.

www.aptacademy.com


edit: Oh, by the way, the APT will also recommend some good attorneys that are affiliated with them. I know of at least one in the Springfield area and there are others scattered around MO. One of my first exposures to the place was when one of their mobile training teams visited my home town and I took a handgun course in a cow pasture behind the prosecuting attorney's house.
 
What is a b-27 target, some sort of siluette?

Yep, it's a silhouette.





I've got relatives in MO (KC area) who're bugging me for more info.

They want to know where to take the course. They bought their gun at Bullseye on the KS side and took an introductory course there around 8 years ago and feel comfortable there, if she can take the course out of state.

This is an aunt who has carpal tunnel, so she isn't so confident about being able to put 20 rounds of .38 on target, at least w/o hurting her wrists and losing feeling.

Question she asked was whether she only had to keep it in the black, or did she have to keep her shots inside the rings?
 
According to the bill she would have to hit the silhouette 15 out of 20 times.



23. A certificate of firearms safety training course completion may be issued to any applicant by any qualified firearms safety instructor. On the certificate of course completion the qualified firearms safety instructor shall affirm that the individual receiving instruction has taken and passed a firearms safety course of at least eight hours in length taught by the instructor that included:


(10) A live fire test administered to the applicant while the instructor was present of twenty rounds from a standing position or its equivalent at a distance from a B-27 silhouette target, or an equivalent target, of seven yards.



24. A qualified firearms safety instructor shall not give a grade of "passing" to an applicant for a concealed carry endorsement who:


(3) During the live fire testing portion of the course fails to hit the silhouette portion of the targets with at least fifteen rounds.
 
Bill Hook,
You said she bought the gun at Bullseye. Did you mean The Bullet Hole? If so the Bullet Hole is giving classes. They are in Overland Park, KS off of Shawnee Mission Parkway. Denny's Guns in North Kansas City is signing up people for classes and sending them to the Bullet Hole because they do not have a range of their own. I don't know if the Bullet Hole will give classes and cut out the middle man. If in fact you did mean Bullseye, sorry I wasnt trying to correct you I have just never heard of that one in Kansas.

Fifteen of the twenty shots have to be inside the ring. abut that is a good majority of the black.
 
Yes, I meant the Bullet Hole. I got that confused w/ another range/gunstore I shot at - not in KS.
 
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