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Kel-Tec P 11

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MrDig, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. MrDig

    MrDig Well-Known Member

    Anyone have any experience with them?
    I can't really afford the Ruger or the Walther in the same size and would really like a Pocket Gun for the Summer months.
    The P 11 holds 10+1 and has a 12 round mag available. The PF 9 is I believe a single stack and is a little slimmer than the 11.
    According to the Literature the PF 9 has a shorter DAO trigger than the P 11 but I tested the 11 and don't mind the length of pull.
    I'm asking if others have experience with one not if you think I should buy a different gun.
    With a spare mag I'm thinking if I need more than 21 rounds I'm in an environment too target rich and deserve what I get for being there.
  2. Snowshoe

    Snowshoe Well-Known Member

    Kel-Tec P-11

    I use mine as a carry gun quite a bit.
    It is light, thin and has 11 rounds.

    This is definitely a "Carry a lot, Shoot a little" pistol.

    Recoil is stout and the grip is not a lot of help.
    The trigger is stiff but not unbearable.

    If you are looking for a range/play gun, I would keep looking.
    If you want it for carry I think it's great.

    Invest in the belt hook and the magazine finger ledge.
    I works really well inside the pants.
    I found it heavy for pocket carry though:)

    As with all things....YMMV
  3. Coyote3855

    Coyote3855 Well-Known Member

    We have 3 P-11s in the family. My wife uses hers for a car gun, my son carries his backpacking in southern Arizona. Our experience, they are decent guns for the money. Run a couple hundred rounds of hardball through it, then be sure it works with your chosen defensive loads. I agree with the belt hook for carry, although IWB needs a chrome slide or a daily oiling against sweat.
  4. Jeremiah10:23

    Jeremiah10:23 Well-Known Member

    I have the P40 which physically identical and love it as far concealing it. My main dislike is the fact that I have large hands and sometimes eject the mag. Overall I have learned to like it.
  5. lil dragon

    lil dragon Member

    I had one. I should have never sold it but wanted a range toy for my 10 year old daughter. It went nearly everywhere with me. After a while you don't notice the weight so much. It was fairly accurate with Federal 124 grain PD and reliable. I say go for it. You wont be disappointed...
  6. Nico Testosteros

    Nico Testosteros Well-Known Member

    My P11 was my first pistol. I like it, for what it is. Trigger pull is long and hard but it's accurate, for such a small gun. With brass or aluminum cased ammo it's reliable. It doesn't like cheap polymer coated stuff.
    I recommend a Hogue Handall Jr grip and the trigger shoe and the pencil eraser trigger stop mod.

    It has no firing pin block safety. I've read it can fire if dropped "right."
    I've dropped mine but it didnt go off.
  7. frankmako

    frankmako Well-Known Member

    i got two and they are good guns. they are not range gun, but they make good carry gun for the price. the belt clip works well for summer carry.
  8. wild cat mccane

    wild cat mccane Well-Known Member

    I say it every P11 thread. It is one a very few modern autos that does not have a physical drop safety. You would be held liable for an accidental discharge.

    Not worth the litigation nighmare (7 million dollars is the average negligent death suit award in America).
  9. wild cat mccane

    wild cat mccane Well-Known Member

  10. orionengnr

    orionengnr Well-Known Member

    I bought one because I thought it would be an "improvement" over my Kahr PM9 (11 rounds vice 7).

    I quickly noted the error of my ways. It went away, and four years later, my PM9 is stilll here. Yes, the PM9 is more expensive, but you can find a used one for ~$500, or a CM9 for ~$400.
  11. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    The P11 is a great gun. I've dropped my P40 (same gun in .40 S&W) a few times and it has never went off. I've read that the gun will go off if dropped directly onto the muzzle from around three feet but is unlikely to go off when dropped at other angles.

    If you get one make sure to pick up a pinky extension that attaches to the magazine base, it will make the gun much easier to use.
  12. TennJed

    TennJed Well-Known Member

    Having a hard time following that link, was any alterations made to that P11 or is it all factory (springs, firing pin ect)?

    edit to see that he says he shortened the firing pin spring on the tested gun. Are there any reports of firing when dropped on Factory P11s?

    Last edited: Apr 11, 2012
  13. shiftyer1

    shiftyer1 Well-Known Member

    I've had mine for 5 or 6 years and it's held up ok. I don't shoot it alot but it does get shot. It has a looong trigger pull but that is the only safety on the gun. It's small and light enough that carrying it is never a bother.

    It does rust quickly so be prepared.
  14. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    Yeah I forgot to mention, 2500+ rounds through my P40 so they hold up fine.
  15. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    I stopped estimating at 11K rounds in my P11 which I've been carrying since 1996. I don't shoot it as regularly at the range as I once did, makes counting rounds a little harder to do. I pocket carry and love the gun for that with its true DAO long trigger. I've dropped mine several times over the years and it never went bang. It is designed with a zero inertia hammer which eliminates the need for a drop safety. I just believe none of what I hear and half of what I see and nothing from the internet. I mean, I'll take suggestions, but some folks have agendas. If it were not drop safe, Kel Tec wouldn't be in business anymore for all the tort suits. :rolleyes: I'll carry it, won't pocket carry a Glock 26, can tell ya that, when it comes to safety. I consider the gun MUCH safer than a Glock for pocket carry in a soft holster.

    I had one problem not long ago, finally broke a part, the extractor. I got one from Kel Tec in the mail free of charge and installed it myself. The gun is accurate and reliable. Mine hasn't rusted despite the sweaty summer pockets, but the bluing doesn't look real nice anymore. So long as the bullet goes where I place it, I really don't care about a bit of pocket wear in a carry gun.
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2012
  16. momano

    momano Well-Known Member

    IMHO, the Ruger LC9 is worth the extra $100. I had a P11 and traded it off because the recoil aggravated my arthritis. The LC9 is a joy to shoot; both the recoil and accuracy are better in my experience. Good luck!
  17. wild cat mccane

    wild cat mccane Well-Known Member

    Unlike the other Kel Tec guns, the P11 is a true double action that does not to be reset by cycling the slide after each shot.

    That is why it doesn't have drop safety by design-from what I've read at KTOG. Not that it doesn't need it.

    A guy had one drop bang while sitting in a booth at a Chilies or something like that here in Utah. Google using KSL.com as part of the search. Picture clearly shows a P11.

    You can't say "i dropped it a couple of times and it didn't fire" and say that conclusively proves it is drop safe. At 4 feet in the link above they clearly are striking hard enough.
  18. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    All internet hearsay and I consider the gun, with zero inertia hammer, plenty safe and safer than "safe action" guns to carry by virtue of its true DAO trigger. If you're that paranoid of guns, don't carry one. They can be dangerous.

    If P11s are that unsafe, why is KT still making them and how is it that KT is still in business, not besieged with lawsuits? :rolleyes:
  19. TennJed

    TennJed Well-Known Member

    I understand what you are saying. and you have admitted to bringing this up everytime the P11 is mentioned.

    But it looks like the only examples are a guy in utah and someone else that modified the firing pin screen.

    I am not sure that is nearly enough evidence to make me feel that the gun is unsafe. One guy in utah vs a lot of owners who have dropped their guns with no issues.

    No offense, but curious as to why you feel strongly enough about this to bring up on every thread.

    With the legal system the way it is, i would be suprised any company would knowingly sell a gun that was not drop safe. Obviuosly there is not nearly enough evidence for kel tec to see an issue.
  20. walker944

    walker944 Well-Known Member

    I have two of the P11s also. They are very reliable, and a preferred carry gun for me. I keep one in my truck, and holster the other. They aren't gorgeous, but I prefer that for a frequently handled gun...not worried about scratching it up. It is, however, 100% functional, and the 11 rounds is a big plus. I paid $175 for one, and $225 for the other...both used. Highly recommend the pistol...but, it may not be for everybody.

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