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Kel-Tec P-11

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by USAF_Vet, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    I did a quick search but found nothing here regarding the P-11

    I hear a lot about the PF-9, but does anyone have any experience with the P-11?

    Why my interest in the P-11? It's mostly due to the magazine interchangeability with my S&W 469. It's lighter, with a smaller frame than my 469, making it a better option for carrying in warmer weather. At roughly $250, it fits my budget.

    Online reviews have been mostly positive, as well. Seems that they've been around long enough to have all the kinks and bugs worked out, too.
  2. Mike J

    Mike J Well-Known Member

    I have one. I have had some problems with it but it is working fine now. If you want to learn about these I would suggest going to www.ktog.org & reading the P11 subforum on the bulletin board there.

    The P11 uses a plastic mag catch. If you slam the magazine in you can damage it & then you have a single shot pistol. This happened to me. Kel Tec sent me another mag catch but I decided to buy a metal one. There is a member at KTOG that makes them & sells them.

    I had a problem with the trigger spring jumping out of the trigger bar. Kel Tec sent me replacement parts & I fixed it.

    The slide stop has broken twice on this gun. Pretty easy to replace & Kel Tec sent me the parts promptly. This did not interfere with the function of the gun other than the slide not locking back after the last shot.

    I still have this pistol & it has been working fine for a while now but I have a lot more trust in my other semi auto's. There are many members here that have this same model pistol & like it very much but the I have written what my experience with this gun has been.
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2012
  3. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    I have a P-11. What's not to like about a pocket size 9mm with a 10 round magazine? I do wish someone would make a higher quality copy, but mine always works so I can't complain too much.
  4. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    I wish I had never gotten rid of mine. It was a great pistol.

    The PF9 I have now has impressed me as well.
  5. needmorecowbell

    needmorecowbell Well-Known Member

    I sold mine. Wasn't comfortable having a carry/defensive handgun with that hard of a trigger pull. To me much worse than a j-frame. My concern was that if I actually one day needed to use it, and adrenaline/nerves kicked in, I'd have trouble hitting the broadside of a barn and be yanking shots everywhere. I can understand your wanting to be able to use the S&W mags, so maybe would work well for you, but I'd recommend most to spend a bit more and get a Kahr CM9/CW9, Ruger LC9 or something similar. If you do get, I'd look into changing the springs as I know that supposedly helps the trigger pull.
  6. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    That's for the feedback.

    It does not appear to have an external safety, is that correct? Is there any safety on it at all, or does on have to rely on the heavy trigger pull? My Smith has a pretty stout trigger pull on Double action, then a pretty light pull on Single action.

    I actually prefer a heavier trigger on a defensive gun, you have to really want to take that first shot. And since I train with a heavy trigger, I'm fairly accurate.

    I'll see if I can rent one before I put it on my short list.

    Magazine quality, how do the Kel Tec mags compare to the S&W mags? Factory Smith mags are about $40 new, with Kel Tec about $25.
  7. dirtengineer

    dirtengineer Well-Known Member

    I had one and traded for a Kahr CM9. It was a fine pistol, but unrefined. The trigger was the main detractor and the ultimate reason that I got rid of it. I had the belt clip and carried it routinely mexican style.
  8. chris in va

    chris in va Well-Known Member

    I had one for a few years, using a factory belt clip. As others pointed out the trigger is...interesting. Not particularly difficult, but the sear release is right up against the grip frame, so quick shots are not happenin'.

    It's a very nice size though especially for a 12rd double stack. There is a way to lighten the pull force...using a bent nail of all things.
  9. chris in va

    chris in va Well-Known Member

    I had one for a few years, using a factory belt clip. As others pointed out the trigger is...interesting. Not particularly difficult, but the sear release is right up against the grip frame, so quick shots are not happenin'. It's a very smooth pull and is similar to a revolver.

    It's a very nice size though especially for a 12rd double stack. There is a way to lighten the pull force...using a bent nail of all things.
  10. josephbw

    josephbw Well-Known Member

    I carried my P11 for over 6 years, then got the PF9 when I finally found one. One thing I never liked about either one, is how they beat up your hand when firing them. The PF9 is a little easier on your hand, has a lighter trigger, and is easier to conceal, but it's not a gun you want to take to the range and shoot more that 20 rounds either. My P11 is now relegated to a hidden back up gun.

    I thought the PF9 was going to be my carry gun from now on. WRONG, I finally found a new Springfield XDs. This gun is everything the Kel Tec's wanted to be, but in a larger caliber (45acp). Today I just recieved my 7 round mags for the XDs that I ordered from Midway on Sunday night.

    I am now content, and convinced that my quest for the perfect carry gun is over. :D:D:D
  11. wild cat mccane

    wild cat mccane Well-Known Member

    Be aware they have no firing pin block and ARE NOT drop safe.

    They also have an unfixed issue of having the trigger bar fall out of the recess in the frame. KTOG will detail this better.
  12. JohnB

    JohnB Well-Known Member

    I have had a P-11 for 3 years or so.
    Mine has been 100% reliable with a variety of ammo.
    Yes the trigger pull is long and hard but to me it was easy to get used to.
    I don't consider it a pocket pistol. Too fat and heavy. I carry a P3AT for a pocket pistol.
    It is not a range gun for burning 100s of rounds in a day.
  13. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    the Springfield XDs is a nice gun. I fired one at my CCW class. But man my hand hurt after only 5 rounds. Great gun in a pinch, but not exactly something I'd want to shoot repeatedly.

    But as I'm really only looking for a back up/ warm weather carry to supplement my S&W, it isn't something I plan to send thousands of rounds down range with. Rather a mag or two to maintain proficiency, then on to something else.

    I've been reading reviews by the dozen on KTOG, and while the P-11 is not a perfect gun, it still seems like it will go on my short list. Then I'll have to find a Sub 2000 set up for the same mags and stock up on a bunch. Having 3 guns that can share mags is something that makes me smile.
  14. MrDig

    MrDig Well-Known Member

    I like mine. a great deal as a matter of fact. but I don't use it at the range much except to shoot a mag ot two when I'm there. It works every time and I carry it as often as I carry.
  15. walker944

    walker944 Well-Known Member

    I have two...one is my carry pistol, the other stays in my truck at all times. Both have a slip on rubber groove grip. I have shot both of them sufficiently enough to know that both ar rock solid reliable. I like the rugged design and finish. Suits my purposes just fine.
  16. josephbw

    josephbw Well-Known Member

    I shot a box of 50 rounds the day I got my XDs, and it didn't bother me at all. I think I could have shot another box or two, but that was all I had at the time. The only thing I'm not too fond of, is racking the slide. It is pretty stiff, but other than that, I love it.

    As far as the Sub 2000, I have one of those too. I got mine in the Glock version. They come in several different versions, but none of them use the same mags as the P-11 or PF9.
  17. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    I read online (fwiw) there is a model that accepts S&W model 59 mags. The 59 series work in all three generations, which is the same mag as the P-11. Again, I had not ever put hands on one.
  18. marb4

    marb4 Well-Known Member

    Mine has never had a single feed or ejection failure. I have had two other issues. One, the trigger return spring would occasionally pop off of the trigger bar. Two, the slide stop lever broke (which didn't cause a failure). Kel-Tec sent me replacement parts and I've never had an issue since.

    Maybe due to the trigger I have never been able to shoot any kind of decent groups. For this pistol's intended purpose that really isn't a huge issue.

    I decided to get a Glock 26 for EDC and since the P11 has no real resale value I decided to keep it tucked away in my truck.
  19. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    The factory P-11 magazines are made by Mec-Gar, which is the only aftermarket company I would consider buying magazines from. On the other hand my P-11 has jammed almost every time I have tried using a S&W magazine in it.

    FREERANGETIME! Well-Known Member

    Mag interchangability

    USAF is correct, the 59 series mags are compatable with the P11 and Sub 2000 that being said, the P11 factory mag will not work in a Sub 2000, because it is simply too short to lock in.

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