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knife training experiences

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by brownie0486, Mar 11, 2003.

  1. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member

    After having read some posts here on this forum I thought it would be a good idea to get a feel for how many actually have formal knife instruction of any kind.

    Seems we all are into carrying blades and most knives carried are expected to defend us if need be. I think it might be interesting to see how much actual training people have here in defensive knife tactics.

    I'll start:

    Riddle of Steel South x3 years with Master at Arms James Keating.
    Ridlle of steel in New Orleans x1 with John Saucier formerly of Little Rock who sponsored Keatings Riddles South.

    Certified by the American Edgewise Society as an instructor 1996.

    Defensive knife instructor for the S+W Academy from 2000-2002 training civilians and LE officers from across the country.

    Trainer to my departments patrolman for 3 years in defensive stick/knife/handgun and hand to hand techniques.

    If you would, please list the knife/knives you carry for defensive purposes and why you chose that model over others. Favorites listed as well if you switch back and forth daily/weekly.

    Presently carrying this morning:

    MOD Trident in R/F pocket; Emerson La Griffe on neck; Swiss army multi-tool on belt and Swiss army hiker in L/F pocket.

    Presently switch between the Mod Trident and the Microtech LCC for R/F pocket carry but have been known to carry one of the Bagwell Bowies or the Bladerigger custom Bamboo Kwaiken in A-2 steel with original silk wrap in a shoulder rig as another knife when I may need to go in harms way.

    Reason for carrying the ones I use presently? They are the best at what they do for me at this time. I have many other customs and semi-customs but have settled on these as daily choices.

  2. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member

    All these fine folks on this forum who carry knives daily with possible defensive needs in mind have no training?

    31 people have viewed the thread since yesterday and no responses?

    Even if you have no formal training in defensive knife tactics, you folks can still post what you presently carry and why you chose that particular model.

  3. Soap

    Soap Well-Known Member

    I just can't find anywhere that I want to train. Most of the knife training around here is of the B.S. sort. I'm thinking about just getting a set of training knives and getting a partner freestyle with.
  4. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member


    Do not get discouraged in your quest for defensive knife skills instruction. There are many good instructors out there to help with your advancement of knowledge in the bladecrafts.

    I had to travel clear across the country several years to get the training I desired from the instructor I chose for my education.
    It was well worth the effort; money and time spent to obtain the skills sets in the final analysis.

    Once you have the "good" stuff, it can never be taken away from you.

  5. Soap

    Soap Well-Known Member

    Brownie- Once graduation comes, I expect to be travelling all over the country to get firearms, knife, baton, etc. training. First stop is probably going to be LFI-I, then Defensive Pistol I at the Ranch. Hopefully I'll be able to train with Mr. Keating in the not-so-distant future.

    Right now, I mostly parasite from other people's training knowledge, then I raid their book and video library...thanks El Tejon! :D
  6. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member

    If you are coming to LFI in NH or Conn. let me know and we can hook up. I'm only across the border in Mass. and can spend a good day or two with you on your knife defense needs if it's something you would be interested in.

    Actually thinking about posting here relative a defensive knife class for forum members so inclined that live in and around the Mass. area.

  7. rock jock

    rock jock Well-Known Member

    I just started carrying a defensive knife for the first time after several years of carrying a gun CCW. Problem is, I don't carry a gun everywhere, or even most of the time, so a knife is the next best thing. I bought a Benchmade 730BT last month and really like it, but to answer your question, I have no formal instruction on how to use it, although I sliced myself pretty good with it a couple of weeks ago so I do know which side does the cutting now.:) I would like to get some training, but do not know where to go for this.
  8. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member

    rock jock:

    Don't worry about cutting yourself with a new knife.

    With very few exceptions, my new acquisitions seem to bite me within a few days of possession/carrying them.

    Scars are lessons learned well, and a lesson learned well is worth something in and of itself where blades are concerned.

    Welcome to the world of carrying knives.

    You'll be fine, just remember the lesson you taught yourself.

    My lessons are ongoing as I try different knives and designs all the time looking for that "magic" knife that screems to me to carry it daily.

  9. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Dan, have you tried Midwest Training Group? The Joe Truncale class I took was basic, but worthwhile.

    You know Boone County bring in a bunch of baton and knife instructors in Indy and Lebanon, right? Bunch of stuff in Indy and Louisville as well.
  10. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member

    I posted this on a similar thread. I learned the art of Ozarkhillbillynkife fighting from Sifu Pa when I was a wee one. almost forgot, as to what I carry? Spyderco police serrated. I've owned it for 6-7 years its never failed me and I have found nothing esle that fits in my pocket as well as this one does.

  11. Soap

    Soap Well-Known Member


    Thanks for the invite. I'm actually going to be in Boston next week but I won't have time to fit any training in. I'm going to be shooting for a job with Credit Suisse/First Boston right out of school so I might be in you neck of the woods.

    El Tejon,

    I've checked out their stuff and it seems promising. Now that I'm making the big bucks at the bank I might be able to actually do some training ;) How do I get in touch with the Boone Co. people for a schedule?
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2003
  12. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Over the past 25 years:

    Maestro Eddy Floy – Practical Rapier (nothing like I've ever done and a lot to retrain my body to do differently)

    Sifu Jerry McCleary – Kali, Escrima, Arnis (use what works)

    Master Toni McSorly – knife offense/defense within Aikido (sneaky, different, out of the box)

    Col. Rex Applegate – 3 very fortunate 2 hr. discussions on practical knife fighting (1995, 1995, 1997) (the most insight I've ever gotten into real consequences and methods)

    Bob Taylor – Hobbit Warrior workshop (the most bruised I've ever been)

    Master Sin – Hapkido (including weapons)

    Maestro Kay Miloc - Olympic fencing (how to move, be quick, change targets, how to SEE)

    20 years of sparring off and on with JOB aka - Renaissance Man (how do you deal with a guy 10 years younger with 6 inches more reach that's lot's taller that trains frequently, Oy! Ouch!!)

    EDC is a small Sebenza strongside pocket and Kasper/Polkowski (or other things) IWB at 1:00
  13. brownie0486

    brownie0486 Well-Known Member

    Daniel Flory:

    Credit Suisse is located here in the building where I am presently located.

    Shoot me a PM and I'll give you the contact info/beeper--perhaps lunch if it fits right for you.

    HSO: Lots of good stuff there sir.

  14. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Dan, e-mail smilin' Cap'n Ken Campbell and ask that you be put on the list. You going to the thingy in May? Send me PM for the cyberaddress dohickey.
  15. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    I became an expert knife fighter by watching Crocodile Dundee. :)

    Actually, I've never attended a formal training class in knife fighting. I carry a knife mainly as a tool and a gun for self defense. I wouldn't mind having formal training, but I'm not aware of any local classes.
  16. Smoke

    Smoke Well-Known Member

    Spring 2001 - Powderhorn Personal Protection Seminar - Beginner
    Summer 2002 - Powderhorn Instructor Development Course
    Fall 2002 - Powderhorn Personal Protection Seminar - Intermediate

    No other courses I have ever been to even mentioned knives except in passing.

    I carry a S&W SWAT daily. It fits my hand. It's of decent quality. I abuse knives so I stay away from the $100 plus ones.
  17. *8*

    *8* Well-Known Member

    Greetings folks,

    My informal knife training started when I was 10 years old, My grandpa is a "knife fighter", our family tradition requires us to train/fight with knives and aikido. My sparring partner up until today are my brothers,sister and cousins.

    Over the years, my trusty knife is sort of a backup weapon. I don't know but prolly it's just me, I prefer carrying a knife over a backup gun. :)
  18. Charles S

    Charles S Well-Known Member


    You have probably touched a nerve with a lot of people. I think that it would surprise you the number of people who carry a gun without any formal training in the combat utilization of a handgun. I don't think that your observation about the lack of training is limited to just knives.

    To answer your question directly.

    My formal training in knife fighting is quite limited. I am currently studying the art of Kajukembo. This is an American art that was started in 1947 in Hawaii and it combines the techniques of multiple arts. The primary weapon of this art is the stick as taught in Escrima the Filipino style. My instructor, Sibok Curtis Chambers, who studied under Sifu James Cox, has chosen to further is education with the addition of the Filipino knife fighting art. We study knife and stick fighting in our dojo.

    Further I have chosen to purchase and study, read that take notes and practice, several videos e.g. Gunsight Tactical Knife 1 and 2. My instructor and I practice the skills demonstrated in those videos.

    I currently carry an Emerson La Griffe, a waved Emerson CQC7 and/or an Emerson Mini-Commander. I choose these knives because the work for me, can be opened conventionally or waved open and they are of legal length for Arkansas carry, I frequently travel to Arkansas.


    I would like to study the edged weapon more, but at this time I have my hands full with my chosen martial art and me desire to continue my education with the handgun.

    I will not neglect the art, I would like any book or video recommendations you might have, or if you can recomend any classes that are in fairly close proximity to my location.

    Thanks for your assistance,

  19. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    9 yrs of kobudo with the Bujinkan and Jinenkan, with knife vs knife, knife vs stick, and unarmed vs knife training.

    I remember reading that one instructor said he taught "knifing", not knife fighting, because the chances of knife vs knife are pretty slim. I would tend to agree. I think the blade is a great killing weapon, but not necessarily a good defensive one. Ask Byron if you want to hear about a friend of his, a dedicated knife man, who took his to a gunfight.

    I have carried a Buck Crosslock, Cold Steel Voyager, Gerbers, and experimented with a few small fixed blades (with little satisfaction, except for the small Cold Steel keychain knives). I've been very satisfied with my Spyderco Native for the last few years, and am now carrying a Benchmade Griptilian (my Spydie is in GA).

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