Let's educate Mitt Romney about Assault Weapons Bans

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I'm from MA and currently live here, Romney did get the best out of a bad situation in this instance, and many others hes a decent guy and is far better than anything the Democrats could throw at us........however I will NOT be supporting him since I don't trust him not to sign another AWB he has never said he wouldn't and he doesnt have enough convictions about 2A rights to say no. The only three canidates I trust not to sign an AWB and they are Huckabee, Thompson, and Paul. I met Mike Huckabee up In NH and asked him if he would sign another AWB and the answer I got was an emphatic NO. We then went on to discuss 2A rights and various things about firearms including his what he uses as a carry gun, he was happy to spend time talking to me about that issue. I can tell you he is the real deal when it comes to standing up for our 2A rights, between that and his stand on other issues he will be getting my support.
 
Mike Huckabee would be a disaster in the general against Obama. He's incredibly devoid of substance. He is a nice guy, but half his supporters heard "fairtax" and got on board.

McCain would also spell trouble for the GOP, I'm afraid. Terrible public presence. Grateful for what he did on behalf of his country, but he's a mediocre candidate for POTUS, IMO. Maybe his tracking would stay up in the general, but I'm concerned it wouldn't.

With the exception of gun-related issues, Romney is the best blend of conservative ideology and general election viability. The flip-flop accusations are trite and overstated. Every candidate changes their mind. At least Romney is honest about it. I also like the idea of having an extremely intelligent candidate in the general. I'm sick of the left strutting as though they have a monopoly on intellectual capacity. Hard to beat Romney's resume.

I think Giuliani getting the nom would be short-selling the GOP, but he is viable. I also think he has better leadership potential at this point than McCain or Huck.

Thompson needs to drop out or join another campaign. I think he's a cool guy, but he's in way over his head and it's painfully obvious whenever he opens his mouth.
 
Romney's response

FWIW I got the same response as post #43.

Again, the point of this thread is to educate Romney, not to whine about him or anyone else. Complaints about Mitt or other candidates, thoughtful as they may be, are out of place here.

This is Activism. DO something.
 
GeekWithA.45,

So you're saying that the time to educate Romney was a few years ago when he was in the electorate and as soon as he became a politician he is suddenly locked in his position, and there is no hope in helping him see the light?

Have you even read this thread?

Romney thinks he supports gun rights. Note that the 3 people in this thread who were in Mass have commented that they felt Romney did the best he could for their rights in Massachusetts. From Romney's perspective, he saw the gun lobby come to him with that awb and decided if it was good enough for them it was good enough for him. Much as he has tried to identify himself as a hunter, I think it is clear to everybody that he doesn't have much experience with guns. But at least he can appreciate the need to protect gun rights.

Romney is like the tens of millions of American gun owners (and possibly the majority) who think that gun rights should be protected, but are simply uncomfortable with the idea of "assault weapons" being available to the public. For crying out loud, we have seen members of the Board of the NRA that have expressed the same sentiment. If you think Zumbo was the only Zumbo, you're dreaming. Zumbo was enlightened pretty quickly because people that understand the issue spoke up loud and clear. That is all I'm saying we should do to Romney. But when we refuse to let him hear our voices because we're voting for somebody else anyway, he is left to assume we agree with him. Well guess what, just because we vote for someone else doesn't mean they are going to win. So if Romney gets elected are you going to let him hear your voice then? Do you think he'll be more inclined to listen to your voice before or after the election? If he wins on an AWB platform he will understandably believe he has the support of the people in that position.

To complete my summary of the thread, you aren't doing anything to help our RKBA cause by coming in here and telling people not to participate in my stupid idea. YOU'RE KILLING ME!! I'm trying to explain to people how this forum works and a moderator comes along and flushes everything I've said down the toilet. Read the rules before you post here!
 
The sooner we all accept that any politician who arrives in an elected or appointed position with animosity towards RBKA doen't arrive there out of ignorance. He or she arrives there out of malfeasance.
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Not always malfeasance. Often times it is "path of least resistance."

Especially true of guys with Romney's "managerial" style - his modus is to try to hammer out some kind of middle ground that doesn't generate too much flak from one side and not too much from the other side.

Saying that you support gun rights while also saying you support the AWB is an attempt to do this very same thing.

These kind of tactics can work well in a negotiation - find a solution that, while it's nobody's "perfect solution," is marginally acceptable to everyone involved.

However, like most THR-ers, I consider RKBA to be a fundamental right and therefore essentially non-negotiable.

For the most part I think Romney is probably well aware of this. He knows he is trying to stay seated on top of the fence. He knows there are absolutist gun control nuts out there, and that there are also absolutist RKBA nuts, and he has made a calcuated decision that he will get more votes by straddling the fence than trying to please either of the poles.

The only way to prove him wrong is for us absolutist RKBA nuts to show up and VOTE - especially in the primaries where one often has the choice to support a true RKBA absolutist (or something pretty darn close to it). On the (R) side, that would be Huckabee, Thompson, or Paul. The only (D) who even came close dropped out of the race today (Richardson).

That said, there is one Romney quote that did strike me as actually ignorant (in the literal definition lacking knowledge) - when he described 7.62x39 as being an "unusually lethal" cartridge. It made me wonder what he would consider .375 H&H, or just about any other big game capable cartridge. He might just possibly be educable on this point.
 
Thank You!

Many thanks to all of you who have let your voices be heard, it was not in vain. I just found Romney's December 30th press release, which clarifies that he opposes new gun legislation banning semi-automatics. That is a very positive step in the right direction. He still isn't as strong on this issue as Paul or Huckabee, but this is a big improvement.

I think I'll write him a note to congratulate him on his new/clarified position.

Here's some links:
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Real_Romney_Record
When it comes to protecting the Second Amendment, I do not support any new gun laws including any new ban on semi-automatic firearms. As President, I will follow President Bush's precedent of opposing any laws that go beyond the restrictions in place when I take office. The laws I do and will support include decades-old restrictions on weapons of unusual lethality like grenades, rocket launchers, fully automatic firearms and what are legally known as destructive devices and would include similar restrictions on new and exotic weapons of similar or even greater lethality. I am proud of my record of defending life and the Second Amendment."
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Also see:
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Second_Amendment_12.28
 
Again, the point of this thread is to educate Romney, not to whine about him or anyone else. Complaints about Mitt or other candidates, thoughtful as they may be, are out of place here.
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Oh I know!!!!!!

Maybe Conservatives should stop voting for, and thinking they can change....moderates/RINO's....maybe in voting for conservatives.....you dont NEED to educate.....

(this party is in serious trouble)
 
Educating an anti-gunner like Mitt Romney is like educating a hog about mud wrestling: You get mud and crap all over yourself and the hog loves all the attention.
 
Mass resident here. I have sat with Mitt and the gun owners action league at the state house. I have written countless letters to Mitt, Kerry, Kenedy etc. I still have a permanent assault weapons ban that will never sunset (thanks Mitt).

I will not vote for Mitt, I have tried changing his mind while he was in office. I will not try changing it again before he becomes commander in Chief!! He made his true beliefs known on meet the press.

There are better candidates out there. Give them your support!
 
I am also a MA resident. Our AWB is similar to the federal one which expired. We have a magazine capacity limit of 10 rounds on all magazines, with a grandfather exception for anything made before Sep 1994. No more than one 'evil' feature on the rifle, you know the drill.

What most people outside this state do not know is that we also have extreme restrictions on purchase of handguns, due to some quasi-legal maneuvers by our ex-Attorney General, under the guise of 'consumer safety'. You can only purchase a tiny handful of 'approved' handguns here (and hey, the 10 lb trigger pull is for your own safety, I am not joking).

If Romney were even the littlest bit interested in supporting our rights, he would have done something about the crap that his attorney general put in place, but he didn't.

I'm not saying that the efforts in this thread are wasted, far from it, I just want to make clear the extent of the situation here, and how it was ignored by the governor.

Going forward, I think flooding him with well written and convincing arguments for less gun control is a great idea, but don't expect that what you perceive as a "promise" will actually be kept. What is crystal clear to me though is that he is a candidate whose desire for power overrides all other considerations. That means that we have some leverage in making clear that our votes are tied to this issue. It unfortunately a sad thing that we are in the position of electing a leader who works this way however.
 
I finally got a reply. FWIW.

Dear robert:

Thank you for contacting me about the important issue of gun ownership and the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I appreciate your interest in my campaign for President and would like to extend my sincere gratitude for taking the time to share your views with me.

I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It’s essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I am proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms.

I firmly believe in the importance of responsible gun ownership and sales. I recognize there are people in this country who want to remove all guns in our society and I think they’re wrong. Washington needs to distinguish between law-abiding gun owners and criminals who use guns. Those who use a firearm during the commission of crime must be punished severely. The key is to provide law enforcement with the resources they need and punish criminals, not burden lawful gun owners.

As Governor of one of the most liberal states in the country, I stood up for the rights of gun owners and sportsmen over burdensome bureaucratic regulation. I advanced legislation that expanded the rights of gun owners in my state and I’ve been proud to have the support of pro-Second Amendment and sportsmen’s groups in my previous runs for public office. I also designated May 7 as “The Right to Bear Arms Day” in Massachusetts to honor “the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property and for all lawful purposes, including the common defense.”

One of the most active fronts in the fight to preserve our Second Amendment rights today is being waged in the courts. As President, I’ll appoint strict constructionist judges who will follow the Constitution and not legislate from the bench. I’ll also fight to repeal the McCain-Feingold law, which sought to impose restrictions on the First Amendment rights of groups like the National Rifle Association, to advocate for issues we care about.

I am running for President because I fervently believe that I have the experience and vision to address the issues facing our country. Throughout my years in both the private and public sectors, I have been successful by pursuing innovation and transformation. If there ever was a time when innovation and transformation were needed in government, it is now.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Please feel free to visit my website at www.MittRomney.com for updated information on Second Amendment rights and other issues that may be of interest to you. I look forward to hearing from you in the future, and earning your support.
Sincerely,
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I sent him a response to his response.

I understand that canned and carefully crafted responses are the norm, but do you have any idea just how patronizing this reponse is to a legimate question of how a candidate views an important issue?

I am currious if it might be possible to get a straight answer to a few questions about the governor's thoughts on the second amendment.

Does he consider it to be an inalienable right of individual Americans, or merely a right of states to form militias as some would say?

Does the 2nd amendment merely restrict the federal government, or is it extended to the states via the 14th amendment? If the right to keep and bear arms is indeed a right of individual Americans, how does the governor plan to deal with the massive infringement by many states on that right? What concrete steps will the governor take to ensure this right is actually respected if elected? In many of our most populous states, this right is either non-existent, or severely restricted.

14th amendent Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Does this right extend to firearms that exhibit cosmetic differences from more traditional designs (for instance - so called assualt weapons)?

Does his support for the right extend to such things as fully automatic weapons (i.e.-machine guns)?

Does the governor support the common sense measure of harmonizing federal rules on gun possession on federal lands? Currently it is possible to become a felon in the middle of a forest just by walking over an unmarked line on the ground between a national park and a national forest.
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<added>I got this back. I guess I will resubmit.
Thank you for contacting Romney for President. Please submit your questions, comments, and policy suggestions for Governor Romney via our website, http://www.mittromney.com/CommentForm. Your input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Team Mitt
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Had to edit it to under 500 characters.

I am curious if it might be possible to get a straight answer to a few questions about the governor's thoughts on the second amendment.

Does he consider it to be an inalienable right of individual Americans, or merely a right of states to form militias as some would say?

Does this right extend to firearms that exhibit cosmetic differences from more traditional designs (for instance - so called assualt weapons)?
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Romney issued a press release on the 2nd Amendment three days after this thread was started. I'd like to think we had something to do with it, but who knows. In any case it shows some improvement at least on a couple issues.

1. He states that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.

2. He states that he does not support new legislation banning semi-automatics.

On the other hand, he is pretty clear that he supports background checks and restrictions on machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers.

He seems to be picking up some momentum in the race, having won Wyoming, Michigan and Nevada and placing second in Iowa and New Hampshire. So I'm glad he has put it in print that at least he isn't after our semi-autos. (Something like H.R. 1022)

Here is the link:

http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Second_Amendment

The Romney Record: Second Amendment
Friday, Dec 28, 2007
"I believe that the Second Amendment protects a truly fundamental individual right.

"I believe that every law-abiding American has the right to own a firearm for hunting, personal protection, skeet, trap or target shooting, or for any other sporting purpose or as part of a collection.
"I do not support any new gun laws including any new ban on semi-automatic firearms. As president, I will follow President Bush's precedent of opposing any laws that go beyond the restrictions in place when I take office. The laws I do and will support include decades-old restrictions on weapons of unusual lethality like grenades, rocket launchers, fully automatic firearms and what are legally known as destructive devices and would include similar restrictions on new and exotic weapons of similar or even greater lethality.

"I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership. I also applaud the efforts of Second Amendment supporters – particularly in the aftermath of the terrible crimes at Virginia Tech – to support measures to improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as a screening tool to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and those judged mentally incompetent. I will protect the promise of a fair and instant check and oppose any effort to expand the NICS beyond its original purpose. I was pleased, in fact, that recently, Congress passed the NICS Improvement Act with NRA support and over liberal opposition to finance, improve, and streamline the current NICS system.

"I believe that any discussion regarding firearms and crime control must focus on the criminal. Unfortunately, many in Washington believe that restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners will diminish violent crime. They are wrong. Over the years, the idea that it is possible to curtail crime by banning firearms has run up against a mountain of empirical evidence that forces one to conclude that gun control laws fail because they rely on the cooperation of a very unlikely element – the criminal. Any measure that fails to focus on the criminal and infringes on the constitutional rights of law-abiding Americans will be a non-starter for me.

"My message on the Second Amendment is simple: the rights of law-abiding gun owners will be protected in a Romney administration.

"On the other hand, if you're a criminal, here is your warning: I will ask every law enforcement agency across this great land to enforce the gun laws that are already on the books so that those who use guns illegally will know that they will be caught, prosecuted, convicted and jailed.

"I believe the right to keep and bear arms is a cornerstone of our personal freedoms. Should I be fortunate enough to become President, I will stand up and fight against any attempt to weaken or infringe upon our Second Amendment rights. And I will do this without any apology and without any hesitation."

- Governor Mitt Romney

ROMNEY RECORD: GOVERNOR ROMNEY'S PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT AGENDA

Governor Romney Strongly Supports An Individual's Right To Keep And Bear Arms Under The Second Amendment. Governor Romney believes in safe and responsible gun ownership. He recognizes there are people in this country who want to remove all guns in our society and he thinks they're wrong. Washington needs to distinguish between law abiding gun owners and those who misuse guns.

- Governor Romney Has A Distinguished Record As Governor of Massachusetts In Defending Our Second Amendment Rights. His efforts on behalf of gun owners have been lauded by gun rights and sportsmen's advocates.

Governor Romney Believes The Second Amendment Protects Essential Freedoms And Supports The Constitutional Right Of Law Abiding Citizens To Keep And Bear Arms. "As president, I'll honor the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families and property and for all other lawful purposes, including the common defense." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks To The NRA, Washington, D.C., 9/21/07)

- Governor Romney Believes The Second Amendment Is About More Than Just Self-Defense Or Sport; It's About The Basic Freedom Of Lawful Citizens To Live Their Lives. The Second Amendment was enshrined by the Founding Fathers in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights to protect the rights of our citizens to own firearms. Bumper sticker gun control does not protect the individual but instead takes away protections and penalizes law-abiding citizens. Criminals do not buy guns in stores nor subject themselves to background checks. Law-abiding citizens certainly have a right to protect their homes and their families.

- Governor Romney Believes We Need To Focus On Enforcing Our Current Laws Rather Than Creating More Laws That Burden Lawful Gun Owners.

Like President Bush, Governor Romney Would Have Signed The Assault Weapons Ban Extension At That Time. As Governor Romney stated on CNN and "Meet the Press," had he been President and had the Assault Weapons Ban extension reached his desk, like President Bush, he would have signed it. That bill did not pass Congress. Governor Romney has stated that he would not reinstate that Assault Weapons Ban. In fact, Governor Romney does not support any new gun laws including a ban on semi-automatic firearms. He would consider limitations on weapons of unusual lethality like grenades, rocket launchers, fully automatic firearms and what are legally known as destructive weapons. (NBC's "Meet The Press," 12/16/07; CNN's "The Situation Room," 11/26/07; The Des Moines Register, 10/23/07)

Governor Romney Supports Court Decisions That Strengthen The Second Amendment. "Finally, let me say that one of the most active fronts in the fight to preserve our Second Amendment rights today is being waged in the courts. Lawsuits have been filed seeking to take away the individual's right to bear arms. We have to look no further than the Parker case. I hope the Roberts court takes the Parker case and upholds the Bill of Rights to protect gun owners everywhere. I've made it clear that I'll appoint judges who believe in strictly interpreting the Constitution, judges in the mold of Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas. It's simply wrong for judges to legislate from the bench. They should follow the law in the Constitution, not make new law." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks To The NRA, Washington, D.C., 9/21/07)

Governor Romney Supports The Rights Of Pro-Second Amendment Groups To Be Involved In The Political Process. "And I'll ask Congress to repeal the McCain-Feingold law which sought to impose restrictions on the First Amendment rights of groups like the NRA to advocate for issues we care about. Some parts have already been declared unconstitutional. We ought to get rid of the entire bill." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks To The NRA, Washington, D.C., 9/21/07)

Governor Romney Opposes Backdoor Attempts To Ban Guns. "We need tort reform as well. That's the way we fight the backdoor attempt to ban guns by bankrupting manufacturers." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks To The NRA, Washington, D.C., 9/21/07)

Governor Romney Repeatedly Sided With Massachusetts Gun Owners And Sportsmen In Defending Second Amendment Rights:

On The 31st Anniversary Of Gun Owners' Action League (GOAL), Governor Romney Declared May 7, 2005 As "Right To Bear Arms Day" In Massachusetts. (Gun Owners' Action League Official Website, www.goal.org, Accessed 2/19/07)

- The Boston Globe: "Also, in 2005, Romney designated May 7 as 'The Right to Bear Arms Day' in Massachusetts to honor 'the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property and for all lawful purposes, including the common defense.'" (Scott Helman, The Boston Globe, 1/14/07)

In July 2006, Governor Romney Signed Legislation Reversing Burdensome Regulations For The Makers Of Customized Target Pistols. "Governor Mitt Romney today signed legislation approving an exemption for the makers of customized target pistols, who due to a provision within state law have found it increasingly difficult to do business in Massachusetts." (Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, "Governor Romney Approves Exemption For Target Pistols," Press Release, 7/26/06)

- GOAL Executive Director James Wallace: "Target shooters are an important part of our membership and I know they will be very pleased with this change." (Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, "Governor Romney Approves Exemption For Target Pistols," Press Release, 7/26/06)

In November 2005, Governor Romney Signed Legislation Clarifying The Definition Of A Loaded Muzzleloader. "Governor Mitt Romney today signed legislation aimed at providing one clear definition of a loaded shotgun or rifle for the state's hunting enthusiasts. ... 'Today, we are simplifying the gun laws in Massachusetts,' Romney said. 'With this legislation, our hunters will know precisely what is expected of them.' ... Hunters now no longer face the lengthy, complex and unnecessary task of cleaning the barrel every time they encounter a public way, nor will they unknowingly violate the law by only removing a gun's priming device." (Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, "Romney Resolves Long-Standing Conflict In State's Firearm Law," Press Release, 11/22/05)

- GOAL Executive Director James Wallace: "This new law addresses a conflict that had previously caused great concern in those who use traditional muzzle loading rifles and shotguns. Now they confidently know what is expected of them and can enjoy their heritage without the fear of being prosecuted for violating a poorly written law." (Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, "Romney Resolves Long-Standing Conflict In State's Firearm Law," Press Release, 11/22/05)

Governor Romney Signed Into Law A Provision Providing Free Replacement Licenses. (Gun Owners' Action League Official Website, www.goal.org, Accessed 2/19/07)

In 2005, Governor Mitt Romney "Suspended 'Administrative Fees' To The Natural Heritage And Endangered Species Fund Of Massachusetts." (Gun Owners' Action League Official Website, www.goal.org, Accessed 2/19/07)

In July 2004, Governor Romney Signed Major Legislation Supported By Gun Owners That Reformed The State's Onerous Gun Laws. "The bill enjoyed the support of Massachusetts gun owners because it also encompassed several measures they favored – including a lengthening of the terms of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry." (Scott Helman, The Boston Globe, 1/14/07)

- NRA Website: "NRA and GOAL supported this bill because it did not ban any guns, and because it made much-needed reforms." (NRA Official Website, http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1149, Accessed 10/16/07)

- NRA Website: "...NRA members should be very pleased in knowing that their efforts to educate and work with their local representatives and senators resulted in a successful reform action. Thanks to you and the Gun Owners' Action League, lawful gun owners can now take advantage of this first set of real reforms in over five years." (NRA Official Website, http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1149, Accessed 10/16/07)

The Law Governor Romney Signed Made A Number Of Improvements To Help Sportsmen, Including:

- Establishing The Firearm License Review Board To Review Cases Of Those Applying To Have Their Firearm Licenses Restored.

- Extending The Term Of Firearm Licenses From Four Years To Six Years.

- Re-Instating A 90-Day Grace Period For Citizens Trying To Renew Their Firearm License.
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It is a sad day that the Republican party is unable to put forth a viable pro-gun candidate. If the choice is between Hillary and Romney, we gun owners have no choice. The lesser of two evils is still evil. This Republican is no longer voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
alsaqr,

This thread isn't about voting. It isn't about throwing in the towel either. It is about actually doing something to increase our odds of getting a pro-gun president.

I'm tired of seeing all the people that complain that the GOP doesn't have any viable pro-gun candidates and at the same time refuse to make their voices heard on the matter. If you want candidates to take this seriously, you need to let them hear your voice.
 
"If you want candidates to take this seriously, you need to let them hear your voice."

If, God forbid, Romney is nominated; he will hear my voice on election day when i write in the name of Hagop Hagopian.
 
The details of the MA AWB and other legislation during Romney's term are here in this thread from our local shooters forum:

http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=29779

You can draw your own conclusions. My take is that what happens at the Federal level will look similar, and you can depend on Romney to do the bare minimum, if that, and only if it in some way is politically advantageous at that moment in time.
 
hqmhqm,

Thanks for posting that. That is a very interesting thread with some good links and even a summary of the situation by GOAL. It clears up a lot of the confusion about the MA AWB that has been going on in this thread. Looks like Teddy was right and I was wrong. I relied on the media reports and Romney's AWB rhetoric instead of getting the facts.

Here's the points I thought were interesting:

1. The original MA AWB (1998) was permanent before Romney came along.
2. GOAL was allowed unprecedented access to the Governor's office (monthly meetings) and was able to work with Romney to clean up some bad gun legislation.
3. The gun controllers in the legislature got nervous that their ban would expire when the federal ban expired because the state law referred to some of the definitions used in the federal ban. So they amended the state definitions to use the federal definitions as they appeared on a specific date.
4. So the new law didn't restrict any new weapons or extend the AWB, but it did include the legislation that GOAL had worked for.
5. The legislature, the media, and Romney tried to portray themselves as heroes for saving the MA AWB, that in fact would have remained completely legal without the new amendments (according to GOAL's legal counsel.)

Very interesting reading.
 
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the topic is clear!

if you CAN NOT stay on the topic please start a new one?
It is very RUDE to hijack a thread!

If you can not abide by the FORUM RULES, then please go start your own forum!:banghead:
 
some people really need reading comprehension skills!


P.S. If you think what I've proposed is a stupid idea, please just keep that to yourself. You don't need to join in on this thread to pooh-pooh it. If you don't want to tell Romney where he is wrong, then don't. But this isn't the discussion sub-forum. This forum is for people who are willing to actually do something to educate others and to preserve our rights. It isn't for whining about why this or that won't work, or complaining about how the NRA should be doing this for us.
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