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Lever-Action 357 mag carbines???

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by SabbathWolf, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. SabbathWolf

    SabbathWolf member

    So I was drifting around on the web and ran across a video by accident really.

    It seems that Winchester in 2013 is (or already has?) come out with an 1873 lever-action rifle in 357 magnum. The way the video sounds, it seems it's made just like the old original guns?


    I was thinking it might be fun to have a lever-action 357 to go along with my 357 Blackhawk. And, since I do own and ride horses, it might make a cool little saddle rifle. But....$1300????? WOW.

    I know Henry, Marlin and some others make 357 lever guns for a lot less.
    But do they suck?
    Are they OK?
    Or are they great?
    I don't know jack about lever-action guns or the companies who make them.
  2. MAKster

    MAKster Well-Known Member

    I'm sure this "Winchester" 1873 is made by Miroku in Japan. They make the 1892 and 94 models as well.
  3. Upstater

    Upstater Well-Known Member

    I've got say I've got a rossi m92 in .357 mag. And it has never failed me, plus it's a total blast to shoot. YMMV
  4. SabbathWolf

    SabbathWolf member

    Well that sucks...:uhoh:
  5. RainDodger

    RainDodger Well-Known Member

    Don't let it fool you... Miroku makes gorgeous rifles. They've been making many of the Browning rifles and shotguns for years. Very well made with great fit and finish. Chances are, they're better quality than many of the old Winchesters made here!
  6. Scooter22

    Scooter22 Well-Known Member

    Yes it's a great repo aimed at Cowboy Action shooters. But if you want to team it up with your Blackhawk using full power loads I'd go with a Winchester 92 style action or a Marlin 1894. They are stronger than the 1873 style actions. Even with modern steel it's the design that makes them somewhat weaker the action has a "toggle link" action which was fine for the older black power loadings. The more modern M92Win and M1894 Marlin has a much stronger action for the modern .357Mag JMHO Miroku of Japan makes excellent firearms. I have a Browning M71 .348 Win rifle.
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  7. SabbathWolf

    SabbathWolf member

    I've read about Rossi 92's and Marlin 1894C's but keep seeing mixed reviews. What about Henry?
  8. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Miroku's renditions of Browning designs rank with Fabrique Nationale and Ye Olde Winchester production. Those I have seen (but never could afford) were beautiful.

    I have a Rossi Puma made for Legacy Sports in .357 and it is adequate for my uses. It is a trick to get it to function with .38 Spl Wadcutters, but so far functions with all other roundnose, jacketed softpoint, jacketed hollowpoint .38 Spl and .357 Mag rounds. Point of impact between .38 Spl and .357 is noticeably different at 75yds+.
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  9. bikemutt

    bikemutt Well-Known Member

    Not sure if Henry makes one in 357, I haven't seen one.
  10. SabbathWolf

    SabbathWolf member

  11. DPris

    DPris Well-Known Member

    The Mirokus are very well-made guns, but they're not "exactly" like the originals.
    They have modified safety features.
  12. InkEd

    InkEd Well-Known Member

    Yes Henry makes a .357 and it's great!
  13. SabbathWolf

    SabbathWolf member

    I think the Henry is the best "looking" of the whole bunch if ya ask me...lol
    But I have no idea how they shoot.
  14. wrs840

    wrs840 Well-Known Member

    My Rossi R92 Stainless 16"bbl that I've had for 6 months has feeding issues. Hoping it will work out, but I'm skeptical. I don't really want to send it back to the factory, because I've read on the interwebs that's a four-month trip that results in a better than 50/50 chance of "no change".

    I'll probably just trade it back in to the LGS I bought it from for a 20"bbl (shoulda bought that in the first place) version of the same thing and hope for a better sample the second time.
  15. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    I have a turn of the century 1892 converted to .38/357.

    I see the 1873 as something I must have. Great. Thanks for that!;)
  16. BCRider

    BCRider Well-Known Member

    MANY of us Rossi owners are happy campers.

    I too have read about some recent fit and finish issues. Enough that I would not buy a current Rossi by mail order. Instead I'd want to shop at a local store and see the one that I am buying, not the demo model. That'll avoid the "sight unseen" fit and finish issues if there are any.

    If the rifle turns out to be less than smooth as you'd like invest a further $120 to $150 in it to have a local gunsmith that does lots of cowboy action guns give it a basic slicking up job. This will involve some stoning and spring replacement. But it really makes a big difference to the rifle.

    I actually have done my own Rossi using the information off the web on how to slick it up. The rifle is a dream to cycle and is a truly fun plinker with a few basics done to it.

    Even with the extra money you spend on getting this work done it'll still end up costing 1/2 the cost of the Miroku 1892 rifle. And many hundreds less than the 1873 clone you are considering.
  17. 35 Whelen

    35 Whelen Well-Known Member

    I own a Rossi '92 in .357 and a Uberti '73 in .44 Special. I've done extensive work, internally, on both. I slicked the Rossi up and polished the snot out of the internals, but it can be very, very picky about ammunition due to having a feed ramp that feeds ammunition at an angle. Mine feeds most any .357 acceptably, but I have to load .38 ammo to nearly .357 length.

    The '73 in my opinion is a much more rugged, simple design. The removeable side plates make maintenance and cleaning quite easy and even complete disassembly isn't near as difficult as the Rossi. I installed a short stroke kit which made the rifle lever FAST. Cartridges are elevated by a brass block then fed straight in to the chamber, so the rifle, at least mine, never jams. When I first started using it for CAS, I used a Keith SWC and it fed them flawlessly as fast as I could lever the rifle.

    Folks regurgitate the weak toggle link blah blah blah, but I wouldn't worry about it. Winchester's not going to chamber a rifle for a cartridge it can't handle. Uberti even chambers their '73 .44 Magnum if that tells you anything.

    I love both my rifles and carry them both. My '92 is a bit lighter and handier than the '73 and I used it just yesterday to whack a Tom I called up not far from the house. But if I were limited to one, it'd be the '73 because of its rugged simplicity.

  18. OldTex

    OldTex Well-Known Member

    I've got a pre-Remlin Marlin 1894 in .357 and just got one of those Miroku Winchester 1892s. The Winchester is a beautiful gun with a really nice action. I was at the range today and another member had a Browning version of the 1892. We were comparing them and the guts look identical. Makes sense since they were both made in the same factory. With full power .357 reloads, it still packs a pretty good punch on the shoulder. And darn near punched a hole in my metal spinner target that is rated for .357.

    Here's my 1892 - 24" octagon barrel:

  19. CA Raider

    CA Raider Well-Known Member

    so actually the Henry's are the only lever-action pistol-caliber rifles made entirely in the usa?

    what about the Mossbergs, by the way. I know those are 30-30 - but are they made in the US??

    CA R
  20. MCMXI

    MCMXI Well-Known Member

    How about Marlin. Here's my 1894CSS in .357 Mag. It's an awesome little rifle.


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