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Lever Action Project gun

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Tengu Joker, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. Tengu Joker

    Tengu Joker Active Member

    I've been wanting to make a scout lever action for a long time and I see myself being able to in the near future.I would like the forum's opinions on what I would like to do though.

    308 caliber
    18-20 inch barrel
    Red Dot scope on a scout mount
    Synthetic Stock
    Non Reflective Satin finish on the metal

    What do you guys think ?
  2. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    308 is going to limit you to two leverguns. The browning BLR and the defunct win88. Niether of which have any aftermarket support whatsoever.

    Second if you're gonna use an unmagnified dot optic there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to mount it in the "scout" position.
  3. greyling22

    greyling22 Well-Known Member

    not if 308 includes the 308 marlin express. then marlin makes a 336 style lever gun for it. however, I was unable to find anybody who makes synthetic stocks for marlins that do not have a barrel band. (excluding custom outfits $!) xs makes a scout mount for marlin guns.
  4. wulfbyte

    wulfbyte Well-Known Member

    .308 is the killer for this idea. In addition to what krochus said, there is also the Savage 99 that can be had in .308 It is also out of production and I don't see any movement to the rumors that Savage was going to reintroduce them. In fact, the Savage 99 was the only lever action to be considered for development as a scout rifle (as seen here) but it was dismissed because it was and remains out of production.

    In typical lever action configuration, Marlin has a number of calibers available that perform close to the .308 ballistics, and the .338 Marlin express will exceed them if I recall correctly.

    The scout rifle concept is based on an extremely narrow definition for a very particular set of circumstances. I tend to agree with the concept when viewed within that very narrow definition, but I feel that more importantly, the scout rifle concept shows a road map of how to look at a specific task and tailor the weapon to be most suited to that task. Applying that to your question, you should be able to tailor a modern, production lever action to suit what you need.

    I think MadOgre's cowboy assault rifle is just what you are looking for.
  5. H2O MAN

    H2O MAN member

    Consider a .45-70 Marlin Guide Gun.

    This one now has a +2 mag tube extension...

  6. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    The Savage 99 came out in .308 and would work fine.
  7. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    Are you actually suggesting someone "bubbitize" a savage 99 Cosmoline?
  8. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    You could look for an older lever action in the flopperoo .307 Winchester. That pretty much is a .308 with a semi-rim. I bet you could tweak the extractor on a Marlin to pull .308s.

    Unfortunately the spitzer bullets used in most .308s would make that a hazardous operation. The Savage or Browning would be the only reasonable choice. If you want a Marlin or Winchester you will have to stick to flatpoints or a caliber that Hornady rubbernose bullets are available for.
  9. chevyforlife21

    chevyforlife21 Well-Known Member

    the pointed 308 round can not be used in a tube magazine and good luck findin a sythetic stock for a lever gun
  10. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    Well you could just put a scout scope on it and a synthetic stock if you could find one.

    But then again I checked GB and even the low end, late model 99E's in .308 are going for twice what they were a few years ago. So maybe scratch that idea.
  11. 336A

    336A Well-Known Member

    We really need more details from you so that we can better understand what your intended use will be. As has already been stated a scout style rifle fills a narrow niche. Since your requiement is for a .308 caliber cartridge then that only leaves the 30-30 or the 308 Marlin Express. Between thos two cartridges I would pick the ubiqutous 30-30 as ammo is a lot more common. Since your going with either an 18"-20" inch barrel I would save my $ and keep the barrel at 20". With the $ that is saved you will have more funds for the optic, scout rail and back up sights http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html
    as well as the satin finish project. As for the synthetic stock good luck finding one. If this were my project I would leave the wood stock on the rifle, the finish (Marsheild) that is applies at the factory is actually very durable. This is just my $.02 worth hope that it is of some help.
  12. kragluver

    kragluver Well-Known Member

    Check out the Marlin Trapper .30-30 on Beartooth Bullets website. I refinished an old .30-30 a couple years ago just like Marshal did his (except I didn't cut the barrel) and it turned out very nice.

  13. CZguy

    CZguy Well-Known Member

    That's almost an understatement about the durability of Mar-shield. That's the most long wearing stuff I've ever run across.
  14. Tengu Joker

    Tengu Joker Active Member

    First, thanks for the responses. I plan on using the rifle for plinking and hunting ( hopefully if I can get back into it, haven't hunted anything in years). I want the shorter length to make it more handy.I have heard some good things about the new Hornady ammo and was leaning to the 308 marlin express but I 30-30 would work well too. As far as the stock goes I'll look into the Ramline stock the MadOgre used but I just fell in love with the Black and Gray Laminated wood stock I saw on a Marlin. Also I've never fired a 45-70 before but heard they kicked pretty hard is that true?
  15. CZguy

    CZguy Well-Known Member

    It depends. The ammo can range from very mild to pretty darn hot. The factory recoil pad on my guide gun was next to useless and had to be replaced with a Pachmeyer de-cellerator. That really helped tame the recoil.
  16. kragluver

    kragluver Well-Known Member

    There was a thread a while back about .45-70 recoil. I have a .45-70 and I've loaded it hot before. Then I got smart. You're never going to make the .45-70 a "flat shooting" round. I load it with cast bullets to black powder velocities (1300 fps for a 350 gr cast bullet) using SR4759. Its very accurate and has mild recoil. It also has enough power to bring down anything I'll ever hunt out to about 125 yards. IMHO, the only reason to load the .45-70 to its max potential is if you're actually hunting buffalo or large African game. In a lightweight rifle, full snort .45-70 loads will just about dislocate your shoulder. Keep them mild and enjoy shooting!
  17. Tengu Joker

    Tengu Joker Active Member

    Just went over to the Marlin sight and saw the 1895sbl and fell in love, it's EXACTLY what I had in my mind, gotta check the balance of the discretionary fund. . .
  18. 10pacesmike

    10pacesmike Active Member


    I like everything but the pistol grip stock. I prefer straight stocks on my lever rifles.
  19. bdg146

    bdg146 Well-Known Member

    So... uninformed question here. What's the purpose of mounting a scope in the scout position? I assume that means further towards the muzzle than a traditional scope mount. Why?
  20. wulfbyte

    wulfbyte Well-Known Member

    From the notes of Jeff Cooper (as found here):

    For those who have not tried it, an explanation of the advantages of the forward telescope is in order. First, and most important, the forward glass does not obscure the landscape. With both eyes open the shooter sees the entire countryside as well as the crosswire printed on his target. For this reason it is important that the magnification of the telescope be no greater than 3X (some hold that 2X is maximum) in order to avoid excessive disparity between the vision of the two eyes. This forward mount, properly used and understood, is the fastest sighting arrangement available to the rifleman...There are those who think that a glass of low power is necessarily less precise for long-range precision work, but we have not found this to be the case in any sort of realistic test.

    There are many additional advantages to the forward telescope mount. It is out of the way when the rifle is carried at the balance. It may be mounted as low over the bore as the diameter of the bell permits. It avoids pinching between thumb and bolt handle when the bolt is operated. It permits stripper loading if desired. It greatly facilitates single-loading with eyes on target. It completely eliminates "telescope eye." Without exception, those who have tried the forward mounted glass in a full course of rifle training are unanimous in their conviction of its superiority...

    See also here.

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