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Little box of horrors

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Buttons, Aug 21, 2004.

  1. Buttons

    Buttons Member

    We went out to the range a week or so ago with an old marlin 60 and a bulk pack of winchester in .22 lr 500 rounds, these bullets were horrendous. We had more lite strikes than we could keep track of, failures to extract, failures to eject, stove pipes, bad primers, and every other problem you could think of. The bullets were inaccurate, and not even in a consistent pattern it gouped at 25 yards within 5-6 inches, but improved a bit further out. overall we found the wincester bulkpack unworthy of its $5 price tag. We bought a bulk pack of federals 550 rounds for $8 and consider that a much better buy. My friend and I both take a stance against the use of this ammo and suggest that it be avoided. Spring for the extra $3 and save yourselves the trouble of dealing with this little box of horrors! :cuss:
  2. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    Moving to General Gun Discussions........

  3. Johnson

    Johnson Member

    Sounds like the gun to me.
  4. magsnubby

    magsnubby Well-Known Member

    I'll second that one Johnson.

    I've bought several bulk boxes of Winchester .22's and never had a problem with any of them.
  5. saddlebum

    saddlebum Well-Known Member

    "marlin model 60" explains it all to me. saddlebum
  6. Penforhire

    Penforhire Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a box of Win Xpert to me. While I had only 2 FTE's out of a box (in my Mk II) I found Xpert to shoot dirty, weak, and noticeably inconsistent. I'll never buy another box of it.
  7. YammyMonkey

    YammyMonkey Well-Known Member

    Had a similar experience with the Winchester, I think it was the "Xpert") .22's. Black/grey/red box IIRC. I was lucky to get 7 or 8 fully functioning rounds out of a mag of 10 through my Browning Buckmark. Shot up about 100 of the Federals no problems, then switched to the Winchester and the :banghead: began.

    On the up side, I did get to practice a lot of malfunction drills on the ol Buckmark.:p
  8. Dave Markowitz

    Dave Markowitz Well-Known Member

    If these were the Winchester "XPert .22s", I am not surprised. That stuff is the worst American made factory ammo I've ever seen.
  9. Dave R

    Dave R Well-Known Member

    In my Marlin Model 60, the Remington 36gr. Golden Bullet seems to be the best "value priced" .22LR.

    I get maybe 2 lite strikes per 550. Often none. Good groups, too.

    Many months ago I posted a review in "hunting" forum. Terminal performance on whistle pigs (ground squirrels) was quite satisfactory.
  10. Okiecruffler

    Okiecruffler Well-Known Member

    I've got a brick of Xperts on my shelf that I bought about a year ago. Same deal, several wouldn't go off no matter how many times I tried. And this was with several different guns, including 2 mod60's, a 10/22, a nylon66, and a Savage striker. Dynapoints seems to be good stuff, but no more Xperts for me.
  11. mtnbkr

    mtnbkr Well-Known Member

    The only bulk pack 22lr ammo I'll shoot in my guns is Dynapoints. Everything else is trash. In my customized 10/22, I've had fewer than 5 misfires in 750rnds of Dynapoints.

  12. Buttons

    Buttons Member

    Sorry I forgot to mention the fact that they were Xperts, hope there wasn't too much confusion. We fired federal, CCIs, mini mags, and velocitors, they all cycled tons better. im pretty sure its the ammo, the bullets came out of the box misshapen and bent, buy a box and look at them if you really like the stuff after that please tell me what to do in order to make cycling them more succesful its a very good deal for 500 rounds a penny a shot:D
  13. SDC

    SDC Well-Known Member

    Step number one is to clean the rifle thoroughly; 90% of the problems you describe could be fixed up with a good cleaning.
  14. ENC

    ENC Well-Known Member

    I've shot a couple of boxes and while dirtier than most it has worked well for me.
  15. Buttons

    Buttons Member

    Well for one I know it is not due to the lack of cleaning. we clean our rifles after every time we shoot, and once a week if we don't.
  16. Yowza

    Yowza Well-Known Member

    I tried some of that Winchester X-pert stuff a while back and as I recall it was horrible in my Ruger 22/45. Some of it wouldn't even fire in my brother's CZ 452. If you still think it's the gun, then I don't know what to tell you.

  17. sm

    sm member

    General Rule for awhile now has been the Xpert is terrible stuff as others have already stated.

    IME - the Winchester X22LR is the one - accross the board - in any gun, action type or platform , and accuracy - though it depends works the best "overall" [ meaning if you don't know the gun , grab these]. The CCI equivilent does the same.

    Win PowerPoint is the .40 gr eq of the X22lr, Dynapoints and T 22 work. The CCI equiv do the same . Winchester is more readlily avail for me.

    Remington has a ammo plant about an hour from me as the crow flies. I've never had good luck with any Remington ammo - except target loads for shotguns. Remington does not make their rimfire ammo btw - I have had terrible results with any type of Rem Rimfire.

    The Fed # 550 bulk pack - is probably the best bulk loading out there.

    The Marlin 60 - I like. I don't have problems with them, find them to be more accurate than the 10/22. My gun buddy has tweaked triggers and such ...not near as much work ,time or trouble ....runs circles around the 10/22 all tricked and $1k invested in.

    I like to use the bone stock ones, I tune in the iron sights and jsut shoot the darn thing. I cleaned the factory lube and stuff , ran a patch down the bore. I then treated the bore with RIG - as I have always done. I have never cleaned the bbl since. I do use a pipe cleaner or q tip for the chamber - if I think about it. I use a pipe cleaner on extraction and stuff , I may even remember to put a drop or two of Keenbore Formula 3 oil ....other than that- I just shoot the darn thing with the same ammo it has always had. Still running, still hitting what aimed at - I have no idea how many rds. We have run 2 bricks in a day through it ....kids wanted to shoot - we let them.

    A customer brought in 3 Marlin 60s in for their ANNUAL cleaning , his and the two boys. They purchase by the cases the X22lr and the PP .

    I understand saving money to shoot. I don't understand why folks spend money on a nice gun - and use inferior ammo. Be it a $99 MOdel 60 or $4k tricked out race gun. Once one finds the load that runs and shoots the best for task, buy as much as can of that lot if possible. Once I find a load - I never shop around, try another loading, or make a decison based on price.

    I pay the monies for the X22lr , the gun also happens to like the Fed #550 ....if it didn't I wouldn't buy it ...I'd buy less ammo quanity for more ammo quality. Just me of course.
  18. KaceCoyote

    KaceCoyote Well-Known Member

    Alright holdon...

    The marlin 60 had -2- light strikes through the entire box. The issue wasnt light strikes they were bad, horrible stupid primers. Worse yet, The rounds that wouldnt go off would stay stuck in there so hardcore I'd have to take the rifle down completely to remove the round. I would turn them(when I could) and nogo. The strikes were just fine. The issue at hand was the bad primers. It got -so- bad at one point me and buttons were just loading singles into the 60 because every other round would jam anyway. it was the most horrific .22 I've ever fired. The normal Win grey box works fine for the 60, cycles -flawlessly- This crap? No good. The bulk pack of Federal now works great sofar, no issues and it seems to be more accurate ontop of that.
  19. grislyatoms

    grislyatoms Well-Known Member

    Winchester Xpert = sort through the box and eliminate all the ones that have dented cases and crooked bullets. Shoot 3 rounds and then go find a cleaning rod to knock stuck case out of chamber. Shoot 17 more rounds and have 2 or 3 misfires.

    Leave box on the shelf to gather dust.

    Not even worth the box they come in.
  20. rust collector

    rust collector Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the warning, Buttons

    I appreciate your trying to save me the time and frustration you experienced when you ended up with a rotten load. I have heard other complaints about this stuff and believe me, none of it will ever see my ammo closet. It's this kind of information that makes this community so great.

    I'm sorry you ended up getting accused of poor rifle selection and poor cleaning habits. Generally, I think folks here try to be helpful but once in awhile our diagnostics aren't based upon enough information, or relate only to our limited information.

    I do hope you feed back to the manufacturer and retailer of this inferior product, so they can recall nonfunctional lots and understand the potential liability that attaches to non-spec ammo. Politely, of course, so you're more likely to be listened to.

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