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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Cougfan2, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Well-Known Member

    Hi gang, I've been thinking seriously about getting a piston AR and have heard both good and bad about LMT and POF. The bad mostly regarding some of their early offerings. Any input anyone would have on either of these platforms would be appreciated, but especially from anyone who is familiar with or has shot both.
  2. RockyMtnTactical

    RockyMtnTactical Well-Known Member

    Why you set on a piston?
  3. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Well-Known Member

    RockMtnTactical I already have two gas impingement AR's and have heard that the piston uppers are more reliable in environments where it is difficult to adequately clean a weapon. What I have heard is you end up with a rifle with the reliability of an AK and the accuracy of an AR. The only down side I've heard is they are heavier. Not having any first hand experience with piston systems, I was curious to get input from someone who has.
  4. possum

    possum Well-Known Member

    wait until the ones from barret come out. i was at a class in tennessee not to long ago and met drew irwin who works for barrett the 5.56 piston upper should be comming out soon. stay away from the other makers, you can't get an h&k so get the barrett, i am sure that you will be glad that you did.

    it never seems to amaze me the amount of effort and time, and money that people put into making an ar into an ak.:banghead:
  5. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member

    Well... LMT is generally considered a top tier manufacturer. So, I;m not too sure about the necessity of having to wait.
  6. Tarvis

    Tarvis Well-Known Member

    Why don't you get an XCR?
  7. SubSolar

    SubSolar Well-Known Member

    You can always get a Sig 556, that's what I'm looking at.
  8. Golden Hound

    Golden Hound Well-Known Member

    Pakistan Ordnance Factory makes AR uppers?! That's news to me. Do they have a protective coating of tar on the inside? If these are the same high quality we have come to expect from POF's surplus .308 ammunition, then I say GO FOR IT!!
  9. rangerruck

    rangerruck Well-Known Member

  10. gvnwst

    gvnwst Well-Known Member

    I have a POF AR, and absolutly love it. Not sure about LMT's, but if the election go's bad, it may not be out in time...
    Then again, the waiting list on POF's is pretty big. And even bigger for the LMT, on pre-order i have heard. mine took about 3 months to arrive.

    with the XCR, you cannot use AR uppers. Yes, i know that it is multi caliber interchangeable, but the AR has it beat in that respect.
  11. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    Google the ADC PD15. It's some good write ups on M4carbine.net and I believe Arnold (the gunsmith who builds them) is a member over there. He's supposed to be ramping up for larger scale production of his gas piston design. Having seen it and fired it on a couple of occasions, it seems to be a first rate design (based on the FAL, though with some notable innovations), and the people who've had prototypes for a while and run them hard report great reliability and durability.
  12. ny32182

    ny32182 Well-Known Member

    I'd get the LMT...

    The POF is an AR15+piston.

    The LMT piston MRP is as close to a SCARspec rifle as you will ever get in something that is loosley based on an AR15. Monolithic railed upper, QD barrels/caliber swaps, piston operation... the only major capability missing is a fully adjustable stock.
  13. meef

    meef Well-Known Member

    Well..... that might be a bit difficult being as how on the page they state:



    "Sorry, Military and Law Enforcement Sales Only at this time."

    Narrows your options down a bit if you don't currently belong to the club.

  14. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Well-Known Member

    I had looked at the info on the Osprey system and it looks pretty impressive, but they don't seem to be to interested in making it readily available outside of the LE and military communities.
  15. ParaElite

    ParaElite Well-Known Member

    POF piston system is a separate entity from the Pakistan Ordinance Factory or whatever.
    Everytime I attend a gunshow at Market Hall in Dallas, Texas, I see POFs lining the counters - what waiting period? I went with the POF and have not regretted it yet. I also have an LMT and Colt 6920 - direct impingement rifles are a PITA to clean this is from years in the military. By all means go to sites like M4Carbine.net to look at the LMT Piston system.
  16. Golden Hound

    Golden Hound Well-Known Member

    I was joking!!!
  17. gvnwst

    gvnwst Well-Known Member

    the one you have when you order striat from POF with a FFL.

    All the LMT has over the POF is a QD barrell system. POF has a rail system that is almost as good as the monolithic, and pratically nothing but the barrel is standard on the POF upper. They both use standard AR lowers which is good.

  18. ParaElite

    ParaElite Well-Known Member

    Who the heck orders straight from the manufacturer? Especially, when the stuff is available elsewhere - like a gunshow, pay the tax and don't wait forever ;-) Or the internet if you don't want to pay the tax!
  19. DaveInFloweryBranchGA

    DaveInFloweryBranchGA Well-Known Member

    Before I'd get a piston upper for an AR15, I'd go do some reading about problems related to them over at AR15.com.


  20. gvnwst

    gvnwst Well-Known Member

    Me. I get it a few hundrad cheaer than buying from elsewhere (i have a friend who is a FFL holder, so no markup for me)

    What problems? Mine has none whatsoever.

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