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Local hunting accident. This needs to be shared

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by R.W.Dale, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. sleepyone

    sleepyone Well-Known Member

    After just reading this article, I was surprised to see that Alsaqr was the first one to mention the two were acquainted in post 16. That is the real story. The vast majority of murder victims knew their attacker. I doubt if this was an accident at all.
  2. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    I've not been keeping up with the story to be honest. But if you'd ever been to coal hill Arkansas you'd find it more suspicious if the two men DIDN'T know each other to some extent.

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  3. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    The reason they probably knew each other is, odds are they were neighbors. If folks had read the article they would know the victim was on a PUBLIC HIKING TRAIL that follows the creek. The victim probably used the trail to walk his dog or do his daily walk/run that many suburbanites do. To blame the victim for not wearing blaze orange during this is grasping at straws to justify the shooting.
  4. 627PCFan

    627PCFan Well-Known Member

    I have seen too many people going on nature hikes in public areas, to include public WMA's during hunting seasons not only failing to wear orange, but wearing brown jackets and walking brown dogs because thats what they do all year round. I would like to legislation passed that if your on public land during hunting season the same hunters orange requirement should be applicable to non-hunters.
  5. brnmw

    brnmw Well-Known Member

    First: Hiker that close to someones house in the bushes...:confused:
    Second: Shooting at an unknown> unidentified target in the bushes...:what:
    Stupid on two ends, however very tragic to say the least.
  6. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    Go back and reread my posts. NOBODY'S saying the lack.of orange in any way excuses the shooters gross lack of judgment here.

    But if that orange might have given the wearer a better chance of surviving this encounter it absolutely is his sole blame for not having used it. Just like if someone doesn't wear a seatbelt and is injured in an an accident. So freaking what if its not their fault?! That's minuscule consolation when they're the one who have to deal with the injuries or being dead.

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  7. Mike J

    Mike J Well-Known Member

    Wearing orange while deer hunting is state law here in Georgia. If I go into the woods for any reason during deer season I still wear it. Even if I'm just getting firewood or whatever. I do not shoot at what I can not see but I think it unwise to underestimate the capacity of my fellow man for stupidity. This thread makes me think about many years ago. My hunting partner was in a tree stand near the property line when bullets started coming through the tree he was in. He exited the stand & looked up to see a turkey fly past. Yes there are idiots that will shoot at a flying bird with a deer rifle. God only knows where those rounds ended up at.

    That said from what I read in a recent E mail from the DNR here I believe the majority of hunting accidents in Georgia are the result of tree stand accidents although I am sure there are still some firearm related ones.
  8. Old Shooter

    Old Shooter Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't need to wear blaze orange when walking on gods greeen earth at any time.

    If you are hunting or intend to shoot at something wiggling the bushes around, it is YOUR responsiblity to know what you are shooting at....period.

    This is the shooters fault, not the hikers.
  9. 788Ham

    788Ham Well-Known Member

    In the state of Colorado, one must wear a hunter daylight orange vest or jacket, and includes a hat or cap, total must be 500 sq. inches during hunting seasons. This includes guides or other non-hunters in hunting group. Without it and caught, one will be ticketed! One would have to be pretty ignorant to go out into the woods during hunting season without this display of color, IMHO !

    There have been a few instances of folks being shot at while wearing these colors, still doesn't take away the responsibility of knowing what you're shooting at either, if you're not sure, you'd best not pull that trigger!

    Previous responder mentioned one shouldn't need to wear blaze orange when out walking God's green earth, but if during hunting season, your roll of the dice pal !
  10. ClickClickD'oh

    ClickClickD'oh Well-Known Member

    Wait... Seriously? You really are going to maintain that not wearing Blaze Orange is only marginally less reckless than firing a high power rifle at random noises?


    The problem isn't not wearing Blaze Orange. The problem is that over reliance on the presence of Blaze Orange has led to stupider hunters that use it as an identification crutch and shoot at anything non-dayglo.

    The mentality in the hunting community that allows for these types of events needs to be purged with an iron fist. Every deer we take, Buck or Doe, we glass it long enough to judge it's approximate age, it's body size and if applicable it's rack. Not only B&C score, but characteristics. Deer need to be properly judged before the shot to protect and improve the herd. Blaze Orange is a pathetic stand-in that is completely unnecessary to the competent hunter. There's no way in hell to drop the hammer on a hiker when you should know it's a 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 doe between 165 to 185 and she has a snubbed tail. It's just not possible. To many people are willing to take the fleeting shot on a poorly identified, or even mostly unseen deer. It's not just dangerous, it's bad hunting. Those people are sad excuses for hunters, and most of them need to have their tickets pulled. The fewer idiots you have in the woods, the better the hunting and the better the herd.

    And for Gods sake people, stop shooting the yearling and two and a half bucks.
  11. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    Yes I am. Stupidity and arrogance are not very far removed from one another.

    One person is a danger to everything in the woods. The other is freely offering themselves up to these folks.

    It ain't rocket science folks. Orange just like seatbelts and airbags aren't there to guard against the safe responsible hunters/drivers. They're there as safeguards against all the folks who aren't and that YOU WILL NEVER EVER NOT IN A BILLION YEARS have control over.

    And to argue that orange is part of the problem. That's just derp derp talk. When the possible outcome is people getting shot and killed you absolutely dumb it down to the lowest common denominator.

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  12. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    I also hate to do this but I think I need to single out the Texans here.

    Your hunting on controlled access private land is almost completely unlike hunting heavily forrested public land. You guys are closer to European hunting than the rest of the country.

    Orange is absolutely a necessary safety measure. I don't know how many times in the national forest I've picked out that tiny block of orange showing through the trees that tells you not to shoot in that direction. I don't care how good you think you are at "glassing" you'd never see if it was camo.

    Without orange you guys are mistaking being oblivious to the other hunters around for awareness and you Texans are relying on that fence instead of orange to serve the same end.

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  13. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    According to the latest report I saw, the victim was 140 some yards away from the shooters residence. Not really that close. Newest press release I saw now claims the victim was on a trail on private property(as opposed to the first release I read where they claimed it was a public hiking trail) and the investigation is now centered on what the victim was doing there, as the local Police Chief says the shooter and the victim had a "relationship"? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    While I admit blaze orange could have saved the victim, the claim that he was as much as fault as the shooter is non-sense. One does not shoot at a sounds. One does not shoot without identifying their target and what is beyond it. The very basics of gun safety. The victim was not wearing a brown suit with a white patch on the rump and antlers. He was wearing blue jeans and a camo coat. In Wisconsin, one is required to wear blaze orange when hunting any game during a gun deer season.......except for waterfowlers. Yesterday I saw three goose hunters walking the trail that surrounds the lake by my house. They were in full camouflage. At the same time I knew the neighbor was out in the next woodlot hunting deer with a muzzle-loader. I could see his blaze orange in his blind. The thought of this thread went thru my mind as I watched the goose hunters make their way to their truck. I doubt if they thought they were in any danger, altho the scenarios between them and the accident in Arkansas were quite similar. I certainly didn't consider them stupid as they were doing what was required to goose hunt and were completely legal. Again.....there is no excuse for shooting a gun at something you have not identified as a target. Period.
  14. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    I have to hand it to you Dale...You are consistent in your views.
  15. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    Look its not about as you put it "making excuses for the shooter" its about keeping the person who may get shot ALIVE with no extra holes at the end of the day. I may take a more dim view of humanity than you do but its my firm belief that stupid people will always be doing stupid things and you will NEVER change that. But what you can change is what those stupid people see when looking your way.

    I've gone so far as to put my orange hat atop my deer blind. Its not like deer pay attention to colors anyways.

    Sometimes its more of a "hey I'm here don't shoot this direction" thing than it is "not a deer"

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  16. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Simple rule: Don't shoot at anything that's not been identified as a proper target. You get right down to the nitty-gritty, orange is irrelevant to responsible behavior. (Not knocking orange; it's obviously been contributory to greater safety.)

    Yeah, there are some idiots who will take "sound" shots at a noise, "Just wanted to see what ran out..." People who do that would have to double up on smarts just to reach "stupid". If they screw up, whatever maximum punishment is available should be administered, IMO.
  17. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Interesting and naive argument. You don't go around wearing a ballistic vest everyday because you know there are negligent idiots and criminals out there with guns, do you? The idiots and criminals are out there. This is a given and a known. We read about them every day.

    FYI, it is varmit or pest season 24/7 in parts of the country such as Arkansas. It is poaching season 24/7 everywhere in the world. Do YOU wear orage every day of your life you go outside? You know there are people like that out there who will shoot at movement and who can't be trusted to properly identify targets.
  18. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    You want to discuss niave. I take it you live in the suburbs.

    Are you actually suggesting that you're no more likely to be shot in the off season with nobody in the woods than you are during modern gun deer season where the forests flood with folks who may be out there the only that one season for the entire year?

    And yes I do usually wear an orange hat and avoid certain colors.

    So to grace the asinine contention that orange = a vest. Yes I go out in public with a gun as insurance and if I were going out in public and expected shooting I would absolutely wear armor ... if I couldn't avoid going

    Again you Texans do not understand the fundamental differences. Try to image your hunting spot, no fences, where everyone is free to come n go as they please at any time of the day.

    Its quite revealing that ALL the anti orange comments are from Texas. It starkly shows how different the hunting culture there differs from the rest of the country.

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    Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
  19. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    I am not anti orange.
    I just dont feel the need to wear it.
    None at all.
    And I have been hunting since I was seven and will be 60 this month.
  20. 627PCFan

    627PCFan Well-Known Member

    You havent hunted public land on the east coast.

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