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Looking for a nice AK? Check these out

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by smartshooter.45, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. smartshooter.45

    smartshooter.45 Well-Known Member

    ive been lurking around the net the last few months just checking out prices for the popular systems out there. i stumbled across this yesterday. $549 for a NIB AMD 65. nice looking gun. ive been seeing the WASR-10's go for $549 NIB which is about $200 more then 6 to 8 months ago. the AMD 65 is built with higher tolerances and has a better trigger system. looks like a damn fine deal. AIM does a good job too.

    does anyone have any firsthand experience with this rifle? id sure like to here your thoughts if you have.


  2. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    That forearm is hideous. I'm going to say that first off. The wire stock also ain't exactly pretty.

    Personally, I'd pass. The forearm and buttstock require receiver mods which will prevent it from ever accepting standard AK furniture (unlike Tantal-style stocks and other forearms which drop into standard receivers). What you get is a proprietary AK setup that's not capable of ever being anything else, and with poor parts availability. It negates two of the main reasons for owning an AK: the ability to customize it however you want, and the ability to get parts from countless sources. If all you want is an AK-type rifle that you can shoot and enjoy, it may be for you. If you have dreams of wood furniture or other AK accessories, stay away.
  3. Hostile Amish

    Hostile Amish member

    The forearm is bad, and the stock looks like it's almost illegal.
  4. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Wow. Maybe I'm missing something. Looks like the garden variety AMD-65 to me. There were a whole lot of those kits floating around a few years ago and a lot of guys built them.

    Not really a comfortable looking gun, to me, but what in the world is so odd, unusual or "illegal" about it?

    Search for AMD-65 and see how many hits you get. These things were not as common as the Romanian "G" guns, but close, for a while.

  5. yoshi76

    yoshi76 Member

    Yes it is just a Hungarian AMD-65 with synthetic furniture. You see these being issued to Iraqi soldiers in the news. I am not sure why people are surprised about them either they have been around. I kind of like them but I hear the buttstock is a bit uncomfortable.
  6. HeatFan77

    HeatFan77 Member

    The Hungarian AMD is a unique AK variant. Why would you want to change it into something it's not?
  7. Geneseo1911

    Geneseo1911 Well-Known Member

    I just can't get past the AMD steel forearm. It's like they were trying to make it hideous.

    You can buy a more traditional AK at Classic Arms for the same price, and it comes with more crap.

    If you like that look, by all means go for it, but it's not for me.
  8. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    I admit, I never liked these until I held one. You have to sort of "think" about it for a second, then it grows on you. They're actually not bad guns.
  9. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member


    It's manufactured here in the USA by Century's [strike]un[/strike]trained monkey assembly team from cut up military rifles.

    Both the WASR and this rifle use the same trigger components (courtesy of 922r).

    I'd rather have the WASR - less monkey shines.
  10. pat86323

    pat86323 Well-Known Member

    We used to sell these at a place i worked the only real complaints that i had were the buttstock was kinda goofy and that forward pistol grip was downright inconvenient. When loading a 30 round mag into it the end of the mag is only about 1/2 an inch from the pistol grip when you try to remove that mag it can be a real pain in the neck. Just my 2 cents.
  11. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    My major complaint is that this particular folding stock requires that the receiver have no rear tang. That effectively ruins it, in my opinion, because if you decide you don't like that stock or it breaks, you can't replace it easily. There's a lot better ways to do a folding stock than that. About a year ago, I saw Polish Tantal stocks available for $10 each. Last I saw they were a bit more than that, but they're out there. Those, at least, drop right in with no alterations on a standard receiver that can still accept a fixed stock. There's also ways to achieve that basic forearm configuration without proprietary parts (Romanian furniture, anyone?).
  12. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    Ya know, they say the same thing about the Romy G rifles.

    1) The Kalashnikov was not made for "gunslinging" (reloading in > 1 second was not a design consideration)

    2) Most owners of the AMD-65 and Romy G that I know, can run their mags just fine. It just takes more practice than one can gets while standing at the gun counter.
  13. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Would that make an AKS-74 "ruined" as well? It uses a proprietary rear trunion with built-in hinge so that when the stock is folded the rear of the receiver is flat. Having a tang sticking out would be a lot less than optimal.

    The only difference I can see is that I would want to change out an AMD or Tantal's butt stock to something comfortable, and you'd have to be nuts to want to ditch the AKS version! :D

    Just wondering...

  14. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    The point is, there's other folding stocks available that don't require a modified receiver. The Polish one has a mounting block that comes out of the rear of the receiver, making it nearly flat with the stock folded. There's lots of ways to do a folder. Ideally, though, you don't want a modified receiver.
  15. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    The East German, Polish and Romanian side folding stocks are not permanently attached to the rifle. They attach to the regular stock tang.

    The AMD-65, otoh, has an integral wire stock and hinge that cannot be removed w/o completely reworking the receiver.
  16. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Right, I understand. The AKS-74 and AK-10X series use a folding stock that is not easily changed as well. The hinge is part of the rear trunion, so there is no tang, which makes them shorter overall when folded. (Well, shorter than they would be with the tang-style folding stock, anyway.)

    The big difference seems to be that someone would WANT to swap out an AMD stock and it would be a pain, whereas the chances of an AKS or AK-101 stock being undesirable would be pretty small.

    Another thing, perhaps worthy of mention, is that, if I remember correctly, the AMDs all have to have a pinned and welded longer-than-stock flash hider to make 16".

  17. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, wire stocks suck (fortunately, most of 'em can be exchanged for a fixed stock 'when the glamour fades').
  18. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Heh. Yeah, well, I've still got the Tapco "pasti-tastic" folder on my Romy... talk about the glamor fading! :eek:

  19. BTR

    BTR Well-Known Member

    I don't think that is a century product. I don't know the manufacturer.

    I do believe these rifles require you to use the included usa made magazine for parts compliance, unless you switch out some other parts.
  20. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Wow, my feelings towards AIM would drop by a mile if that was the case and they didn't inform folks of it! And I don't see any mention on the advertisement that such is the case. Could be, though.

    I'd guess the following are US parts:
    Flash-hider (though it becomes part of the barrel, so non-issue anyway)
    pistol grip
    handguard/front grip
    maybe the gas piston?
    And probably the barrel, right? If these are recent-import kits, they'll need new barrels.


    Has anyone called or emailed AIM to check this?

    At least they do sell it with a 20-rd. mag, which I believe is appropriate for how these guns were usually issued.


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