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Looney gun nuts

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Cmdr. Gravez0r, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. Cmdr. Gravez0r

    Cmdr. Gravez0r Well-Known Member

    If you poke around the intertubes much you find some antis making the argument that the RKBA military equivalancy argument is invalid, because "nobody can or will stand up to the government, and you're crazy to think you can."

    Yeah. That's what they said in 1776.

    Have a good weekend.
  2. protolith

    protolith Well-Known Member

    One of the most valid reasons "nobody can or will stand up to the government, and you're crazy to think you can." Is the infringement on the 2A that has already occurred.
    In Miller ,the SCOTUS ruled that a weapon had to have a valid militia use. This means military style arms. The '34 NFA essentially initiated a prohibitively expensive tax. The '86 NFA machine gun registry closure is the most egregious violation of the 2A. As a member of the unregulated militia, I'm supposed to have access to militia arms. The most contemporary select fire militia arms I have access to were manufactured more than 22 years ago.

    Neutering the 2A is like having a bulldog with rubber teeth.
  3. Winchester 73

    Winchester 73 member

    I'll be right there with you on the barricades,Commander.
  4. JCMAG

    JCMAG Well-Known Member

    If, in that dreaded time of need, our rights are not so very different than they are now, I am confident that an army of 100 million with bolt action rifles could take on a modern military.

    Getting 100 million to go Red Dawn on their tyrannical keisters is an entirely different matter altogether...
  5. SsevenN

    SsevenN Well-Known Member

    If the Gov. ever does pull a "hail Mary" on us citizens, communication will become difficult at best. That is the biggest problem I see with a armed citizen uprising, coordination of force will be delayed, to impossible. If an orchestrated attack is ever initiated. against us...
  6. Winchester 73

    Winchester 73 member

    The dreadful text messaging then becomes our friend.
  7. mekender

    mekender Well-Known Member

    you assume that any government action wouldnt immediately suspend all civilian cell phone useage...
  8. packnrat

    packnrat Well-Known Member

    the only way to get the word out is a shtf happend is ham radio...aka short wave.

    cost about $300 - $800. for a good multi band unit, with a peace of wire you can talk world wide.

    if you are into code it can be done even cheeper.

    set up/down quick and not visable to anyone.

  9. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    Aren't these the same twits who say that the US military can't defeat the insurgency in Iraq?


    But then if you lie enough, it's tough to keep your lies consistent, isn't it?
  10. yokel

    yokel Well-Known Member

    This requires a fundamental understanding and acceptance that all their guns and ammo are in essense a part of the ways and means of preserving and extending their liberty.

    After all, the Second Amendment is not merely about a gratifying hobby and recreational activity or intimidating burglars.
  11. lacoochee

    lacoochee Well-Known Member

    I've always thought that it would be far more likely for the military made up in large by men and woman from the South and Mid-West, to pull the "hail Mary", in which case I think it will be the Federal government and would be socialists who are in trouble. Just sayin....
  12. LaEscopeta

    LaEscopeta Well-Known Member

    Ordinary citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be causing a fair amount of damage against the US Government right now. History is full of examples of people rising up and overthrowing government forces, right up until today. The don’t always win but they do often enough to show an informed and intelligent person it is possible (Afghanistan throwing out the Soviets, East Timor getting independence from Indonesia, Nepal Communists getting a new constitution are 3 examples from the last 30 years of David beating Goliath.) Anyone who says it is impossible is either uninformed or stupid.

    I think the key to success for the little guy is the willingness of large numbers of people to take causalities and endure hardships for a long period of time, while keeping up at least a low intensity of fighting.
  13. Pat-inCO

    Pat-inCO Well-Known Member

    Tin foil hat time :banghead:
  14. Ithaca37

    Ithaca37 Well-Known Member

    Insurgents across the world seem to be able to coordinate just fine. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan for starters.
  15. 32winspl

    32winspl Well-Known Member

    Other than Kent State, I don't recall any group of soldiers/Nat'l Guardsmen shooting U.S. citizens. Other govt agencies... well that's a different matter. One can only hope that our own soldiers would be very reluctant to fire on us.
    But you have to be thinking about our willingness to be "law abiding citizens", because way before things got that far along, someone in power would have passed a new law... "Ladies and Gentlemen, turn them in". And we, being law-abiding", would mostly comply. Those of us that don't surrender our guns, are now, by definition, criminals, and subject to arrest or even worse.
    I've given this a lot of thought over the years and to be honest, I still don't know how I'd respond.
  16. chris in va

    chris in va Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't refer to them as 'citizens' though.

  17. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    And have literally nothing to lose.

    As James Caan said (or words to that effect) in the movie "Thief", there's nothing more dangerous than a man who doesn't give a ****."

    At that point, I wouldn't give a **** and pretty much anything would be on the table as a response.

    I really enjoyed the movie "Michael Collins", especially the part where the "Black & Tans" learned about the nature of payback...
  18. Hook686

    Hook686 Well-Known Member

    Yesterday, 11:32 PM #5
    SsevenN wrote:

    I guess what I find so sad is that once a United States has also ment a united people. Today I listen to the words that seem to create an 'Us ... them, good guy ... bad guy, I'm right ... you're wrong, I'm smart ... you're dumb, I'm honorable ... you're deceitful, I'm brave ... you're a coward, ....' ... and not a damn thing you can do about it.

    Wasn't there a movie along this theme a few years ago ? Does anyone recall the name of it ?

    I am thinking that it is sad that this land of ours has become such a fractionated community.
  19. whichfinger

    whichfinger Well-Known Member

    There's your precedent.

    I have the same hope, but I can't help thinking today's troops are largely products of our public schools. Probably don't want to dig too far into that can of worms, but naturalized citizens know more about this country's history and its Constitution than most of those who were born and "educated" here. Our "hope," I'm afraid, is akin to whistling in the dark as we walk past a graveyard. While many, possibly even most, will refuse to pull the trigger, I wonder how many more will simply cop to "I was just following orders." (We know who else tried that at Nuremburg, but then, they were the losers.)
  20. mgregg85

    mgregg85 Well-Known Member

    Its sad to think about but if no one can stand up to our military, why have we lost so many young men in iraq?

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