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M&P Sport and sustained combat

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Saddlebag Preacher, Nov 14, 2012.

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  1. Saddlebag Preacher

    Saddlebag Preacher Well-Known Member

    OK, I'm not a conspiracy theory specialist, but I have a question. I've read all the posts here about the M&P Sport, the price and the value for the money. IF, and I say IF, something ever happens, I have some good hunting rifles (The original assault rifles called lever actions and a Mauser 98) and shotguns along with some good handguns.

    I haven't really seen cheap surplus 5.56 ammo listed like I used to. But, IF I bought one and HAD to use it as a battle rifle and not a range gun, would it hold up?

    No, I'm not talking desert storm sand and such, but can it hold it's own if a bunch of farmers felt they needed to protect themselves against an armed mob and sustained gunfight in rain, humidity heat and cold?

    I can't afford $1000.00 or more for a combat rifle, but I can afford the S&W.

    Just tossing it out there.
  2. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    The S&W Sport is in many ways a better rifle than most of the rifles that used to be considered top notch 10 years ago. My big concern would be the lack of dust cover on the Sport - although I think you can now buy a cheap disposable plastic one for it. Having said that, I'd take the Sport over a lever gun or Mauser 98; but then I have a lot of time with ARs and trigger time/confidence is probably much more important than type of firearm for what you describe.
  3. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Yes, it'd hold up. I'm one such farmer, and I find it wholly apt.
  4. MikePaiN

    MikePaiN Well-Known Member

    Is there something wrong with being "conspiracy theory specialist" that you felt you had to mention it? Just didn't want to get identified with all those tin hat wearin' nut jobs...did ya ;)
  5. RainDodger

    RainDodger Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, my Sport is every bit as good quality as my Colt... in fact I like the melonite-treated barrel more than the Colt's chrome bore.

    I believe the Sport would hold up just as well or better than most others.
  6. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    I something really bad happens it will last long enough. If things get to the point that you really need a better gun, there will be better ones laying on the ground to pick up.
  7. Elm Creek Smith

    Elm Creek Smith Well-Known Member

    A Ruger Mini-14 will hold up, of course, you may never find your brass...

  8. Jackal

    Jackal Well-Known Member

    This. Much better rifle for adverse conditions. Built lose enough to allow some grime in the workings and still retain at least 2moa accuracy (new ones). Its a M1 carbine in .223. Also, Mini's love the sand/dirt. Thats why its the #1 ranch rifle ever made (hence its name). Those farmers and ranch hands dont pay too much attention to the cleanliness of their rifles. Its a tool.
  9. BSA1

    BSA1 Well-Known Member

    Just where or more importantly do you grow anyway? :evil:

    You really don't have to answer this question.:rolleyes:
  10. Welding Rod

    Welding Rod Well-Known Member

    That was funny!

    Actually I wondered if the Mini brass ejection was a design feature... so the shooter could take out advisaries in two directions at once?

    Sorry OP.
  11. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Then, by this line of thinking, wouldn't an AKM be superior still? Still battle accurate, ridiculously reliable, and cheap to feed. Either the AR or AK has the Mini beat, especially for the price they command.

    For what a Mini costs, I can get a good AR or a great AK variant. I pay plenty attention to, not only cleanliness, but value per dollar. In this regard, the Mini sucks.
  12. stubbicatt

    stubbicatt Well-Known Member

    Oh by the Lords of Hades... Not again.

    I dunno, but if "extended combat" arises, you better hope you have a bunch of friends, as one guy by himself presents a comparatively easy target, and life expectancy is measured not in hours, even minutes, not even the number of magazines you empty, but the number of rounds in one magazine left when your rifle goes silent.
  13. MistWolf

    MistWolf Well-Known Member

    The only way to know if your AR will hold up is to go shoot it. Go take a three day carbine course and see if it survives

    But ammo costs money, doesn't it?
  14. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    Actually, it isn't. It may seem very robust, but people who have really put them through their paces found that the AR was, in fact, a more durable and reliable firearm.

    I like my mini, but if I had to choose between it and one of my ARs, I wouldn't even have to think about it.
  15. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    My biggest concern with an AR and "sustained combat" is not how long the situation lasts, or even the elements, but ROUNDS FIRED. A combat loadout of 300 rounds sounds like a lot, but it's only 4 mags on your belt and 6 in your armor carrier
    It's also enough carbon fouling to cause serious fouling issues in a lot of guns.

    If you and your farmer buddies are getting into 2-300 rounds / shooter firefights, something is badly wrong already.
  16. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Maybe; but an AR isn't one of those rifles. You can find multiple examples of an AR going 10,000 rounds plus with no cleaning. Carbon fouling isn't going to be an issue with the Sport. You'd run out of ammo long before you choked it out with carbon fouling. External debris in the BCG/gas expansion area may be a problem though if there is enough of it. That is why I would want some kind of dust cover.
  17. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Well-Known Member

    If the dustcover and forward assist are a big deal to you (If forced to pick one I'd opt for the dustcover) you could always pick up a $90 upper at your leisure and rebuild your upper on it. From the reviews I've seen, the S&W Sport seems to be a great value and if I were in the market for another I'd seriously consider it.

    Even better is the recommendation to take a carbine class with it and see how it fares for you. You might decide to keep it as-is because it runs fine. If not, you'll know the bugs of your particular rifle.
  18. HDCamel

    HDCamel Well-Known Member

    Carbon fouling is actually pretty much a non-issue. ARs run dirty with the best of them, they just don't like to run dry.

    Besides, 2-300 is almost nothing. Most ARs will run at least 10 times that before running into incomplete feeds which, on most ARs (though incidentally, not on the M&P Sport that OP is asking about), can be addressed with the forward assist. Anything else is probably either magazine related or can be solved by spraying down the BCG with some lubrication.

    So, Saddlebag Preacher, if you're that worried just make sure you have a can of your favorite CLP with you when the shooting starts.
  19. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    My point is, he's really got no chance of ruining a real modern rifle defending a farm.

    Of course, I know nothing about civilian ARs... met a few armory maintained M-16s that choked on less, though.
  20. ShooterGuy

    ShooterGuy Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'd go with a pair of decent AKs over an AR (simmer down AR fans, I like them too), in my experience AKs dont care if they're dry, or wet, or dirty, decent ammo is cheaper, and you could arm you AND a buddy for the price of a good AR. Just my .02 cents on your zombie apocalypse scenario.
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