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madmike does knives

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by NMshooter, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. NMshooter

    NMshooter Well-Known Member


    So I sent him a message asking about a knife...

    And ended up with 6" of steel!

    The handguard and pommel are solid brass, the handle is very nice wood.

    Workmanship is excellent.

    Attached Files:

  2. Eleven Mike

    Eleven Mike Well-Known Member

    Looks a tad rough, but that is a very nice design. The pommel and guard are excellent. I love a flat-ground drop-point.
  3. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    I like it. It looks like something of a working knife, not a safe queen to just "show off" because it cost so much you are scared to use it. Good choice for a real feild knife in my opinion.
  4. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Good design. I'd really like this one, but except with a guard only on the blade side and without so pronounced a pommel.

    Mike also is an excellent writer...
  5. Kaylee

    Kaylee Moderator


    I'm still waiting for him to do a Freehold 'kataghan' -- after its notable appearance in his awesome book, it'd be cool to see one in person.

    (or heck.. maybe he could license a run of 'em. :D )

  6. LanEvo`

    LanEvo` Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what book you're referring to, but there is such a thing as a yatağan that was used back in Ottoman times starting with Sultan Suleyman the Magnificant. Sort of a double recurved blade...not too different from a kukri, but longer and more slender. Also, they traditionally would have a split pommel that looks sort of like ram's horns. They are best known as the sidearm of the Yeni Ceri, or "new guard" (transliterated as "Janissary" in English).


    I've seen it spelled all kinds of ways, but "yatağan" is the proper spelling in modern Turkish. It's pronounced "YAT-A-AHN" (the "soft g" is a silent letter that tells you to stretch out the previous vowel).

    Yes, I'm a Turk ;)
  7. Kaylee

    Kaylee Moderator

    Thanks for the picture LanEvo!

    When I asked madmike what the thing was, this was indeed his answer:

  8. LanEvo`

    LanEvo` Well-Known Member

    No prob! There are a couple of modern swordsmiths who offer yatağans today. I've recently come across the "Sinbad Yataghan" by Jody Samson:


    And Vince Evans offers some "Turkish Yataghan" variants, which are a bit more historically accurate:



    These all look pretty sweet!
  9. hexidismal

    hexidismal Well-Known Member

    Does the split pommel of the yatağans serve some purpose ?
  10. Eleven Mike

    Eleven Mike Well-Known Member

    I think it's to poke the wearer in the ribs or stomach. Ouch.
  11. carebear

    carebear Well-Known Member

    To brace your rifle on, like a monopod, in the kneeling position.

    With the long arqubueses of the day some sort of steadying device was preferable for increased accuracy, then, when the shot was fired,the Jannissary would have his sword in hand should immediate close combat be necessary. It saved carrying a shooting stick AND personal weapon, simplifying his kit.
  12. carebear

    carebear Well-Known Member

    I just made the above explanation up, BTW.

    No jumpy on the funny man.
  13. LanEvo`

    LanEvo` Well-Known Member

    I honestly have no idea. I've never seen a good explanation. I have, however, read that yatağans were not primary weapons: they were more large knives rather than short swords, if you know what I mean. Basically, weapons of last resort.

    Janissaries relied on longer range weapons, like arrows and spears. In later days (17th century onward), their primary weapons were rifles and grenades. They were pretty "cutting edge" for their time.

    In the end, the yatağan was largely a status symbol from what I've read. Maybe that explains why they were so ornate. I wonder if the pommel is just there for show. It is rather distinctive.
  14. CWL

    CWL Well-Known Member

    Turkish armies had started using firearms by the middle of the 1400's, they also had porportionately more firearms than European armies. Janissaries had pretty much completely adopted firearms by the middle of the 1500s.

    I do not believe that Janissaries used rifle & grenades in 17th Cent. They typically used smoothbore weapons.

    Specialist Grenadiers were not Janissary (Christian slaves) but ethnic Turks.
  15. NMshooter

    NMshooter Well-Known Member

    Yes, I wanted a tool.

    The blade is 3/16" thick along the back!

    I mentioned I wanted something I could abuse in case I needed a prybar...

    And I have all Mike's paperbacks in my collection.
  16. Yup, I'm aware this is an old thread. Yup, I'm aware that I'm re-upping something from the depths of time that many may wish to cut me off at the knees for.

    However, I have.... interesting.. news.

    MadMike.. is indeed doing a Kataghan.. in fact, he's doing *MY* Kataghan.

    This badboy was on my fireplace mantle for a few months, then in a chitchat with Mr. Williamson, turns out he was interested in doing it.. a few other things fell into place, so at the moment, it's in his workshop, and if things go REALLY well, I may have it back in the next few months.

    This piece was purchased from a Canadian bladesmith; the blade is, I THINK, a Yataghan, that the original bladesmith retrofitted with a wakizashi hilt.

    MadMike has already cleaned up the rather nasty notch towards the tip. The tang has also been extended; the next step will be adding rosewood hilt pieces, and then re-wrapping it in the Katana style.


    I may... MAY... have the very first, MadMike-touched (and blessed!) Kataghan! A little birdy tells me he may even be making one from a Chassepot, for purposes of having one of his own, after messing with this one.

    You may now proceed with turning green with envy.
  17. Gordon

    Gordon Well-Known Member

    That is just all wrong! BUT put a razor edge on it and I think I like it!
  18. I do believe good master Williamson is planning on putting a rather nice edge on it.. and if not, I'll be asking him to. :D
  19. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    It's like a train wreck. Just can't look away.
    I like the blade, after having lived in Turkey for a couple years I have really come to appreciate a lot of Turkish art, and blades are functional art.
    I also lived in Japan, and love Japanese style blades and swords.

    But the two fused together is an abomination.

    Just my heavily biased opinion. If you like it, who cares what I think?
  20. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    I have to wonder where the balance point and point of percussion would end up on that Frankensword.

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