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Makarov for concealed carry?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by WardenWolf, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    Well, I just got my Arizona CCW license, and I'm looking for a decent carry piece as all my other pistols are either physically too large or too small-caliber. I'm considering a Bulgarian Makarov. Its weight isn't really an issue, as even my Tokarev doesn't cause me any problems. I can conceal even the Tokarev IWB without any issues; it's simply too large to be comfortable. The Makarov seems to be short enough and small enough overall to conceal well. Does anyone have any experience carrying a Makarov concealed?
  2. gbelleh

    gbelleh Well-Known Member

    I've carried Makarovs occasionally. They carry pretty well. Of course they're larger and heavier than many CCW pistols available today, but they're nice and thin. If you can conceal a Tokarev, you'll have no problem concealing the Makarov.
  3. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    use the search (third tab from the right)
    well covered, many people carry the mak, or feg/PA-64 because they are quite slim, also consider the CZ-82, not as slim (in the muzzle it is, but double stack makes the grip fatter) but it carries 12+1 and is a CZ, little long in the trigger, but a true joy to shoot.
  4. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    The main thing seems to be shoulder width. As long as your shoulders are wide enough to support a shirt that hangs down over it, you can conceal just about anything. My shoulders are plenty wide for my height, and I managed to stuff my full-size Tokarev kangaroo holster IWB and you couldn't tell I was wearing it with my shirt hanging over it. My only real concern is with the pistol being comfortable enough to carry this way.
  5. StorkPatrol

    StorkPatrol Well-Known Member

    Yes, the Makarov is a great carry gun...if you recognize it's limitations. Like any handgun, the Makarov and its other eastern block cousins is a compromise. I carry my Bulgarian Makarov about 60% of the time and usually don't feel under-armed with it. It's great for a grab-and-go gun when I am going somewhere I perceive as low threat, can't dress around a larger gun, or am just feeling to lazy to holster up my CZ-75b. Many people use a snub nose revolver for this role. I like to carry the Makarov because it is reliable, thin, and holds almost twice as many rounds as a J-frame. The main limitations are the borderline weak cartridge and the smallish sights. I overcome these limitations through practice. I've got close to 5k rounds through that gun, and I know what I can and can't do with it. I hope my post helps you make a more educated decision.
  6. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    I understand the 9x18 round is roughly midway between .380 ACP and 9mm Luger. Given that most commercial concealment guns are .380 and a lot more expensive, I do not really see this being an issue. I also found plenty of hollowpoints available for it. I think I may purchase a Makarov, and keep my Tokarev (also loaded with hollowpoints) for when I want to carry something more serious without worrying about concealing it as much.
  7. StorkPatrol

    StorkPatrol Well-Known Member

    Mike the Wolf, I have also come to the same conclusion as you concerning 9x18 vs. .380 ACP. There is nothing that .380 can do that 9x18 can't do for half the price. How do you think I could afford to shoot 5 thousand rounds through my Makarov? (and another thousand plus through my CZ-82 come to think of it) How much does 6k rounds of .380 cost? Additionally, the 9x18 does have a performance edge on the .380 ACP.

    Incidentally, AIM Surplus.com has Bulgarian Maks on their website as of last night. They're a little pricey compared to the good old days of 2004 when they flooded the market, but hey, ya take what you can get.

  8. jonnyc

    jonnyc Well-Known Member

    You would be well-served carying a Makarov. I have carried my DDR Mak often. Lots of good ammo and nice holsters for them.
  9. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    I have four Makarovs (Russian, East German, and two from Bulgaria) and will on occassion carry one of my Bulgarians. I feel well armed, but I also carry a .380 and am fine. I think of the Mak round as a very hot .380, contained in a well made, accurate and reliable service pistol which is easily concealed due to its slimness.

    If you can finds a Bulgarian, get it.
  10. Trebor

    Trebor Well-Known Member

    No, the 9x18mm Makarov round is MUCH closer to .380 ACP then 9mm Luger. No "half-way between" about it.

    If you consider 9x18mm Makarov to be like a "hot .380 ACP" you'll be closer to the truth.

    This is per Wikipedia (I know, I know) just because it was the quickest source. Feel free to dig more for a better source if you like.

    .380 ACP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

    95 gr (6.2 g) FMJ 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 203 ft·lbf

    9x18mm Makarov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x18mm_Makarov

    95 gr (6.2 g) FMJ 319 m/s (1,050 ft/s) 313 J (231 ft·lbf)

    9x19mm (9mm Luger) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x19mm_Parabellum

    7.45 g (115.0 gr) FMJ 390 m/s (1,300 ft/s) 570 J (420 ft·lbf
  11. woad_yurt

    woad_yurt Well-Known Member

    The Makarov's a great gun. Some folks say it's underpowered, which I don't understand because Fiocchi makes a very affordable 9X18 FMJ that rates 267 ft lbs, which puts it right in the 38 SPL power realm.

    Get yourself that Mak. You won't be sorry.
  12. harmon rabb

    harmon rabb Well-Known Member

    how are you guys carrying your tokarevs? condition 3, right?
  13. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    Thanks for the responses. Looks like I'm going to be getting myself a Makarov.

    Harmon rabb, I carry my Tokarev on the half-cock position normally in an open holster. I've practiced cocking it as I release the retaining strap, and can cock it, release it, and draw it in a smooth motion. I wouldn't be afraid to carry it condition 1, though. I just don't because I dislike the idea of keeping the spring compressed constantly. All the springs on it are the original 1953 springs. Even though some people may not like the idea of carrying it locked and cocked, the trigger pull is long enough and the hammer design is such that the risk of it firing unintentionally is effectively nil, even if dropped, and the trigger safety adds additional insurance. My experience with this gun has given me absolute confidence in it.
  14. woad_yurt

    woad_yurt Well-Known Member

    Double post!

    Pls. disregard. Sorry.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2010
  15. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    Ordered my Mak. =)
  16. makarovnik

    makarovnik Well-Known Member

  17. m2steven

    m2steven Well-Known Member

    I purchased a Mak last summer and it's one of the most wonderful pistols i've owned. It was in nearly pristine condition, beautiful finish, easy to hold and shoot, and pretty comfortable to carry due to the varying shape of it's design. And, most importantly, it's gone bang every time i've pulled the trigger. It's a superb design and I believe you'll like it.

    FIVETWOSEVEN Well-Known Member

    i know someone who carries a east german mak with a .380 barrel
  19. harmon rabb

    harmon rabb Well-Known Member

    condition 1? the tokarev never originally came with a safety. the added on safeties (i have a romanian ttc) just block the trigger, and i don't think render the gun safe at all for condition 1 carry.

    speaking of confidence in the gun -- i have a couple thousand rounds through mine with not one issue at all. i'm 100% confident it will go bang every time i pull the trigger and not jam. i'm just not confident at all in a way to carry it in anything but condition 3.
  20. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    Consider this: the Tokarev's trigger is a long-pull slider trigger with a very good spring behind it. Properly holstered, it's not going to be set off accidentally. The safety is just added insurance. The striker also has a spring in front of it, so it cannot contact the firing pin without the hammer striking it. For the Tokarev to fire unintentionally without a trigger pull, even if dropped while cocked, it would have to (1) strike the low-profile hammer in just such a way as to provide forward pressure, (2) have enough force to defeat the primary locking nubs, and (3) defeat the half-cock locking nubs. I honestly cannot see a way, other than intentionally abusing the gun, that it could fire without a trigger pull. It simply is not going to happen.

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