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Man with concealed-carry permit kills robbery suspect in Cleveland

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ohioan, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Ohioan

    Ohioan Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if there is a better place for this but here it is.

    I love the quote from the grieving cousin of the robber.. quite amusing.
    Cleveland is one of the cities in Ohio that had a draconian gun ban in place that was overrode by Ohio's new (and much appreciated) Preemption Law this year...


    Toby Hoover is a great anti-gun voice here in Ohio.. here is a quote from an article last week... again, this quote is from LAST WEEK, not related to the above article

    Link to article at the Toledo Blade
  2. SSTHitman

    SSTHitman Member

  3. Ohioan

    Ohioan Well-Known Member

  4. torpid

    torpid Well-Known Member

    A boy dies, and a gun debate is reignited
    Holdup victim had concealed-carry permit
    Tuesday, April 24, 2007
    Damian G. Guevara and Patrick O'Donnell
    Plain Dealer Reporters

    Damon Wells is the man gun supporters were imagining when they fought for the right to carry concealed weapons.

    He had a permit to carry his gun, and he had the gun on him when a pair of teenage thieves approached him Saturday night on his front porch in Cleveland.

    When one of the youths pulled a gun, Wells drew his and shot one of the boys several times in the chest, police said. Arthur Buford, 15, died after stumbling away and collapsing on a sidewalk near East 134th Street and Kinsman Road.

    City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged for what appears to be the first time a concealed-carry permit holder has shot and killed an attacker.

    Nonetheless, the shooting reignited the debate that flared three years ago when Ohio's concealed-carry law took effect.

    Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

    An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

    His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

    "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

    Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught as of Monday night. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. They believe it belonged to Buford or the other suspect, Lt. Thomas Stacho said.

    Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells as evidence, the police report shows.

    Both sides of the gun debate said it was sad that a teenager died.

    "It's tragic," said Jim Irvine, chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "Anytime somebody dies, it's tragic, but it's hard to have any sympathy when he chose to have a gun and go threaten somebody's life."

    Irvine said it was "great that a potential victim is able to continue his life instead of having a criminal take it."

    Toby Hoover, of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, said she had not heard of any other fatal shooting involving a concealed-carry permit holder.

    "This is one of the few where they actually used it to stop a crime," Hoover said.

    But, she said, "there's still a dead kid here."

    A man who answered a phone number for Wells refused to comment and hung up. No one answered the door at Wells' home.

    Plain Dealer reporters Jesse Tinsley and Brie Zeltner and researcher Cheryl Diamond contributed to this story.
  5. aguyindallas

    aguyindallas Well-Known Member

    Since this happened on the front porch of the guys house...this doesnt seem much like it has anything to do with concealed carry laws.
  6. MD_Willington

    MD_Willington Well-Known Member

    Well I guess Tameka and Arthur were sharing a brain cel, and the cousin had it that day...

    Here's a tip, don't go pulling firearms on people who are sitting on their front porch and are willing to use them.

    Sounds like guy on the porch also put in some range time...
  7. ZeSpectre

    ZeSpectre Well-Known Member

    Just one word for this... SURPRISE!
  8. atomicferret

    atomicferret Well-Known Member

    So, if i am reading this correctly, someone thinks that this guy should be prosecuted for protecting himself from an armed robber. Yet no mention of prosecution towards the kid that lived.

    I am glad that they ruled in favor of the CCW holder.
  9. PPGMD

    PPGMD Well-Known Member

    Jeez he isn't a kid he was a criminal that pulled a gun on an another person. That person just happened to be a CCW holder that shot the kid before the kid could shoot him.
  10. mek42

    mek42 Well-Known Member

    I get angry when I read about people lamenting the fate of the perpetrators of violent felonies by criticizing the person offering resistance to the commission of said violent felony.

    It is one thing to express honest grief about the loss of someone close to you who died while committing a felony. This is a normal reaction that I have no issue with whatsoever.

    It is entirely different to blame the victim of the attempted felony for offering the best resistance to being subjected to a felony that one is able to offer. In my opinion this is morally reprehensible.

    It sounds like this was a good self defense situation. I wish people would leave the victim alone and let him get on with his life. He is probably dealing with enough internal stress over this incident anyhow.
  11. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    This article does a wonderful job illustrating the nexus between criminals and antis.

    Here we have an anti leader defending a thug and home invader on record.:cool:
  12. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Well-Known Member

    Good thing: One less criminal.

    Bad thing: The Brady Bunch will chalk this up as another "child" killed by a firearm.
  13. romma

    romma Well-Known Member

    Obviously this criminal will be sorely missed by "like-minded" individuals of his type that he was close too... These people are so engrossed in the thug/robbery lifestyle that it's perfectly normal for one of their family members to rob and threaten people at gunpoint... but when it works out against them, then all the sudden they cry foul! :barf:
  14. grimjaw

    grimjaw Well-Known Member

    . . . and if the teenager had shot the homeowner, the same griper would complain that 'the gun laws aren't strict enough, otherwise this "child" wouldn't have been able to get a gun!'

  15. Odd Job

    Odd Job Well-Known Member

    Ja, and the citizen might be dead instead, right?
  16. romma

    romma Well-Known Member

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  17. Outlaw Man

    Outlaw Man Well-Known Member

    But would they have had the same reaction if the citizen hadn't been armed and his life was taken? It's sad a kid is dead, but a 15 year old knows better (barring serious mental conditions) than to pull a gun on someone.

    A similar instance happened near my hometown. A teenager (a little older, but still under 18 IIRC, not that it matters) decided to walk into a gas station with a gun in his hand. He didn't walk out. The kid's mother puts a big article in the paper every year (either on the anniversary of the foiled robbery or on his birthday) about how the clerk took her baby. Sorry lady. When your "baby" is big enough to play adult games he's big enough to handle adult consequences. Same thing applies here.

    EDIT: Odd Job beat me to it.
  18. Evil Monkey

    Evil Monkey member

    The only thing I'm disappointed with is that the shooter didn't give that little turd a closed casket funeral.

    Should have used the Mozambique Drill.
  19. Macpherson

    Macpherson Well-Known Member

    I'm at a loss for words...apparently the fact that her cousin was committing multiple felonies at the time has no bearing on what happened?

  20. starboard

    starboard Well-Known Member

    That's like a day at the office for some people - normal, expected, familiar.

    Several .40 to the chest.. that's gotta sting. :)

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