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Mandatory BG checks on ALL sales lead to registration of all guns

Discussion in 'Legal' started by abajaj11, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. limpingbear

    limpingbear Well-Known Member

    After doing a bit of light reading....It appears that even if the UBC is passed there can be no implementation of a federal gun registry. Its contained in FOPA as follows...

    "No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation"

    So if I'm reading it right, the Feds would have to repeal FOPA to implement a federal registry...which would mean revisiting the GCA 86, which is probably something they don't want to do at this time.
    I still expect them to try though....
  2. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

    ^^^Right. What they want to do now with UBC is make sure records are being kept of all transfers which will happen if all must go through an FFL. At a later date, when they can point to the "registration loophole", they will seek to repeal FOPA and create a registry from the records (as well as requiring registration of all guns that have not been transferred via FFL).
  3. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    Universal Background Checks simply accomplish what the anti gun crowd has wanted to do for a long time, which is make it difficult to buy a gun that can't be easily traced back to you and confiscated.

    The only thing I see coming from the UBC if they become law is sting operations against gun owners much like the police does now against the war on drugs. Ignorant people will be targeted and undercover officers will offer to buy guns from them under the radar. If they agree they'll be arrested and charged with attempting to sell a firearm illegally.
  4. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

    There are all sorts of horror stories out there about what they will do if it passes. But first it has to pass and like Obamacare, they have to pass it before we can know what it in it.

    So the best thing to do is not worry about what might happen IF, and work now to see that IF doesn't happen. .
  5. DeepSouth

    DeepSouth Well-Known Member

    I just read THIS article that the AP put out, the very last sentence is the best idea I have heard of in this entire debate. It would ALMOST certainly prevent any kind of real registration.

    the last sentence is
    I personally sell very few guns, but if I were to sell one it would have to be to a CCP holder, thus keeping the Gov. out of the sale while being legal, and I would of course have mine so no BGC for me. Looks like that is enough to make it almost impossible to create a "real" registry.

    It would also seriously increase the people who have CCP's simply to avoid the BGC's and probably save money. :D
  6. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    ^ what .gov giveth .gov can taketh away, unless of course we fight for our rights
  7. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

    OK. Just as soon as he recognizes the 2nd Amendment is a carry permit Which pretty much exempts everyone.
  8. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Well-Known Member

    Don't be holding your breath on that one.

    Schumer has a "plan" and so does Feinstein, and the end result is unilateral citizen disarmament, despite the 2A.
  9. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

    In 2-3-4
    Out 2-3-4
    Repeat as necessary.
  10. abajaj11

    abajaj11 Well-Known Member

    UBC is not their goal: registration is their goal.
    If they were serious about background checks, they would pursue the existing NICs checks that fail....they don't. Check this out:


    NICs right now are useless as the above link shows.
    Why would they want to expand them? Because they really want to prevent firearm violence? No, it is to create a registry.
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2013
  11. Deer_Freak

    Deer_Freak Member.

    I am for enforcing the laws on the books. When the laws on the books are enforced I can get on board for further regulation. Anything less is just punishing the honest, law abiding gun owner. The law is supposed to punish criminals, not honest hard working people.

    The only way to enforce a UBC is to create a registration of guns. Registration of weapons will lead to confiscation.
  12. abajaj11

    abajaj11 Well-Known Member

    If these background checks (that lead to registration, which is their real goal) are passed, I am turning third party. It will be the end of the republican party in my mind.
    If these moderate republicans want to commit political suicide, let them.

    More conservative folks like Jim Bridenstine or Rand Paul need to form a third party if they want my vote in the future.
    I am planning to call my 2 senators and congressman, as well as Spkr Boehner in the house, and tell their aides this.
    Please consider doing something along those lines as well. Perhaps if these idiots are faced with the demise of their precious party, they may see sense.

    For Congressman: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
    For Senators: https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
  13. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    If we get registration I doubt your 3rd party vote will be counted.
  14. abajaj11

    abajaj11 Well-Known Member

    Yes, you may be right. All i can do is my little bit. Hopefully if enough pull together it will make an impact.

    BTW, interesting article on how registration of firearms was used on Jews by Nazis, as a prelude to assaulting them.


  15. msb45

    msb45 Well-Known Member

    Why acknowledge the false argument of manage the object, not hold people accountable.

    On a tour at Williamsburg I saw an old but good idea. If found guilty of a crime you could ask for clemency and get your hand branded. They walked out free that day. If they committed another crime they were hung, no questions asked.

    Dead people can't buy guns. Brand the bad guys, not the good.
  16. abajaj11

    abajaj11 Well-Known Member

    The battle is not over....please consider calling your senators to thank them. They will get calls from Bloomberg fueled bots, we need to counter that by showing our appreciation !
    also, please consider contributing to the NRA and GOA, maybe the cost of a box of ammo each? IMHO, it's WORTH IT!

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