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Maryland CCW Bill SB137

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Austin Charles, Feb 13, 2004.

  1. Austin Charles

    Austin Charles Well-Known Member

    It is scheduled for March 17,2004 at 1:00pm

    2004 Regular Session bill information current as of February 13, 2004 - 1:43 a.m.
    Sponsors Title Synopsis History Sponsor List Subjects Statutes Documents Up to the Minute Another Bill

    File Code: Public Safety
    Sponsored By:
    Senators Mooney, Brinkley, Colburn, Greenip, Haines, Harris, Hooper, Jacobs, Jimeno, Klausmeier, Stoltzfus, and Stone
    Self-Defense Act - Rule of Law


    Altering specified requirements for the issuance of handgun permits; repealing the requirement that the Secretary of State Police find that an applicant seeking a permit has a good and substantial reason to wear, carry, or transport a handgun; establishing a 45-day period within which the Secretary must issue a permit to carry a handgun after an application is approved; requiring that an individual be certified by a qualified handgun instructor before receiving a permit; etc.


    History by Legislative Date
    Senate Action
    First Reading Judicial Proceedings
    Hearing 3/17 at 1:00 p.m.
    House Action
    No Action


    Sponsored by:
    Senator Alexander X. Mooney, District 3
    Senator David R. Brinkley, District 4
    Senator Richard F. Colburn, District 37
    Senator Janet Greenip, District 33
    Senator Larry E. Haines, District 5
    Senator Andrew P. Harris, District 7
    Senator J. Robert Hooper, District 35
    Senator Nancy Jacobs, District 34
    Senator Philip C. Jimeno, District 31
    Senator Katherine Klausmeier, District 8
    Senator J. Lowell Stoltzfus, District 38
    Senator Norman R. Stone, Jr., District 6
  2. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member

    Four of the sponsors are on the Senate Judiciary Committee - Haines, Jimeno, Jacobs and Mooney.

    It's quite unfortunate who the other SJC members are....(Actually , Brochin's on our side, and sometimes Gianetti)....
  3. Austin Charles

    Austin Charles Well-Known Member

    So what do you think our chances are?
  4. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member

    Virtually none.

    As much as even >I< hate to admit it, Maryland isn't ready for mass concealed carry by citizens. Too many people without proper training carrying guns all at once? Not a good idea (Of course, every Maryland THR member should get an automatic permit!) Starting perhaps with several counties, and having those counties' crime numbers in our favor will go a long way towards restoring our rights statewide.....but I think even the State Police would be against us on this one, if only due to the increased workload they would have to assume.

    As my brother once said, carrying guns isn't part of Maryland's heritage as it is in midwestern states. People out west have a much better chance of growing up around guns (albeit more rifles and shotguns) and they don't have fear and ignorance of guns like people in Nanny states, like Maryland.

    I'd like to see it, but I can't imagine seeing it any time soon. MAybe these bills are bargaing chips for other issues, who knows?:rolleyes:
  5. echo3mike

    echo3mike Well-Known Member

    Eh... what the heck. Been writing/calling for the past couple of weeks. Might as well keep going with it.

  6. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member


    These bills show a change in the way Marylanders feel about gun laws and even personal rights in general. The more support we continue to show for these things, the better are chances are of seeing some change. It may take a looooooong time, but it's certainly worth a few minutes a week to send emails, faxes and letters and to make a few phone calls.
  7. Austin Charles

    Austin Charles Well-Known Member

    Well, I just got off of the phone with a County. Swat team officer, he said that he would mark his calender and for me to e-mail him the info and he would summit it to his friends at work.

    He also said that their is a lot more police officers in AA Co. and Balt. Co that would like to see this happen,than we think. He has told me that before.

    He also brought up the HB218 that is nation wide for police, they really want that. I said that if they could keep a good fight up for guns in Maryland that then all of the bad mouth talk that you hear about " why should they get the right and not us" could get all of us on the same page.We root for them and they root for us.

    But I still think that even if it is a slim shot, if they keep seeing all the voters showing up for these bills than they might start to pick their fights rather than keep trying to add law after law after law. especially if they see that the police are not as for banning guns as they thought.

    He said that he would go and speak for the Bill, but he could not say that he was their on behalf of his department. Never the less police are police and having them on our side doen't hurt.
  8. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Where's it say that in the Second Amendment?
  9. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member

    It doesn't.

    But if you don't live here, you have no idea.

    The Second Amendment means nothing here. There is no provision in the state constitution for the RKBA. And there's too much ignorance in this state to even have the basic right to self defense.

    In order to win our rights back, it'll have to be a small step at a time, or else the anti's will seize on every imbecile who drops, brandishes, or has a ND with his/her gun.

    So I stand by my statement. I'm not ready for everybody to start carrying. As long as it takes for our rights to be restored, it'll take ONE incident to have them revoked. THAT is why it's not a good idea.

    I live here, so I'll do it my way.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2004
  10. Norton

    Norton Well-Known Member

    Furthermore, for those of you not in MD....it was a major victory this week for to homeowners who shot intruders in their homes to NOT be indicted.

    Yes, that's right in ladies and gentlemen, in this fair state...if you are threatened in your own home and have to use a firearm to defend your family...it is likely that YOU will go to jail.

    This week showed a 180 degree change in that policy for these two homeowners.
  11. bbrins

    bbrins Well-Known Member

    Spot77, what do you consider to be proper training? The bill says that the applicant would have to be certified by an NRA Certified handgun instructor.
  12. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member

    Yup, I'm down with that for the most part.

    People can be taught how to handle and fire a gun, but I'm not sure that makes them "responsible" with it.

    I consider myself among the safest shooters, but I don't know if that makes me a great candidate to carry a gun every day. Hopefully I'll be smart enough to know, should the option ever become available.
  13. atek3

    atek3 Well-Known Member

    First of all. Even if MD goes shall issue, statistically speaking, no one is getting permits. Maybe less than one half of one percent. And that self selected minority are going to be the serious gun owners that are willing to jump through a whole heck of a lot of hoops to get one. Honestly (if I feared permit holders) I'd fear gun-ho texans with permits moreso than the forty or fifty MD permit holders this law would empower.
    Merely Generalizing a little, all of the 'eww guns are icky' liberals I've taken to the range and taught to shoot I would trust far more than the adult whose father 'taught him how to shoot guns'...and constantly muzzles their friends and has their fingers inside the trigger guards.

  14. 71Commander

    71Commander Well-Known Member

    This thread perplexes me:confused:
  15. Austin Charles

    Austin Charles Well-Known Member

    This really is not the point,

    I feel if we the gun owners keep showing strong support then maybe just maybe, they will not jump at every chance to put a new gun law on the books. Instead they will start enforcing the laws that they already have on criminals.

    Another thing not everybody who shoots wants to carry a gun.I myself feel that it would be nice. I have carry permits and I do exercise my right in Penn. VA. Del. and whenever I go on vacation where one of the states allows me to.

    But one thing is for sure, if we do not take advantage of who we have in office right now, we may never have a second chance. Then our gun rights will dissappear quickly.
  16. Spot77

    Spot77 Well-Known Member

    Hey, don't get me wrong, there's lots of times when I'd like to carry.

    The sad thing is that I'll probably be one of the few people from THR to actually show up and testify FOR the bill...I know of about 5 out of 30 Marylanders that can realistically make it.......
  17. JeepDriver

    JeepDriver Well-Known Member

    If this bill were to pass I'd be practicing much more and taking classses as often as I could afford to. The fact the MD isn't shall issue is the only reason I haven't attended the SigArm Academy yet.

    If we were to go to shall issue I'd be attending their Concealed weapons courses and Advanced Concealed Carry Pistol as soon as I could. That's $1450 in training plus time off work, travel, and related expences.

    I could only hope that anyone that has a carry permit takes it upon themselves to do the same.
  18. Sheslinger

    Sheslinger Well-Known Member

    Any chance for an out-of-state permit provision?

  19. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

    For those of you who haven't...

    check out http://mcdl.org/ - if they are a strong as the http://vcdl.org (Virginia Citizens Defense League) they are all over this to get it passed. If they aren't strong, they need your help (and not necessarily your money).

    Spot... not a flame, but we've found that permit holders - even new ones - are pretty responsible people.

    Have faith, brother - and (e)mail/phone those blokes. We've found that solid reasoning set to words to be effective with fence-sitters and even antis. Honest praise for those on our side bolsters their spirit and gives them the strength and impetus to again go forth and persevere.

    Member VCDL
  20. CleverNickname

    CleverNickname Well-Known Member

    According to Packing.org, there already is a provision for non-resident Maryland licenses. I have a feeling they're quite a bit more rare than the already rare resident licenses though.

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