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Media's pet phrase: "Gun Culture"?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MedWheeler, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    If there really is such thing as a "gun culture" in the USA, what the media is lashing out at right now isn't it.

    A "gun culture", the way I see it, would be no more than a culture in which the common existence and possession of firearms is integral with society, and living in general. The days in which it was more common than not to see a shotgun leaning in a corner inside one's front door, a rifle in a rack in the rear window of a pickup (perhaps even parked outside a school!), and a sixgun on a man's hip as he went about his business. People didn't fear them; they were as ordinary to see around as any other tool or implement of daily living, such as a stove, washboard, appliance, or a car. Children played "cops and robbers" and "cowboys and Indians" with real-looking toy guns, and even pointed them at each other. If there were "real" guns in the house, everyone knew it, and no one feared them. All able-bodied and responsible members of the household knew how (and when) to use them.
    This started well before the year 1800, and continued well into the 1970s, particularly below the Mason-Dixon line. Yes, there were bad guys with guns who used them, but there were good guys with guns to stop them.

    Most of us over the age of 35-40 years old, especially those who grew up in the South and West, went through this lifestyle and came out without being drawn into a lifestyle centered around firearms-related violence. We didn't become mass-murderers, spree-killers, or gang-banging thugs. For the last 20 years or so, though, young people have spent far more time sitting at home on their pasty-white soggy rears learning more about weapons and firearms from "virtuality" than from reality. With curiosity sparked by that, and no education or experience with the real thing, they can easily become tempted to "try out the power" of a game's glorified weapon when they get their hands on a real one.
    No, I'm not blaming video games at all. But, I believe that young people, whose minds are still so easily influenced, need to be spending time and experience in the "real world" far more than in the so-called "virtual world."

    No, there is no such thing as a "gun culture". Since, in those times, firearms were no more than tools for recreation, sustenance, or defense, they can no more be the subject of a "culture" as any other tool. I've never heard of a "hammer culture", or a "rod-and-reel" culture, yet there are at least as many people, if not more, that actively enjoy tinkering or hand-working, or fishing.

    Perhaps what the media is actually looking at could more accurately be described as a "violence culture" or a "thug culture"? These types of lifestyles as practiced by enough like-minded people to be indeed be classified as a "culture". The glamorization of violence and death, coupled with the loss of the fear of death (largely due to its perceived glory and the lack of a belief in a higher power to answer to) are what is steering people of that culture. Firearms simply happen to be an available outlet for them with which to carry out their fantasies, which all too often carry from their virtual worlds into the real one.
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  2. SuperNaut

    SuperNaut Well-Known Member

    This is a tactic designed to minimize, isolate, dehumanize, and dismiss gun owners. With over 300 million guns in the USA and over an estimated 80 million gun owners, there is no such thing as "gun culture" there is only US Culture.
  3. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I very much agree. It is speech to marginalize.
  4. Sacajawea

    Sacajawea Member

    Hi there - I'm new around these parts.

    Very good post! I think it's part of the strategy to marginalize responsible gun owners, also. Sets up the old us vs them - again.

    We should ask them to describe this "gun culture". See what it consists of. Because I probably don't fit their profile. A lot of women won't. thewellarmedwoman.com is running "faces of gun owners" on Facebook. This might help - lots of grannies, like me... young, hipster women... the neighbor lady who volunteers everywhere...
  5. P5 Guy

    P5 Guy Well-Known Member

    Counter Culture was used on the Hippies back in the 60s, this is just the variation the counter culture types are using on what used to be The Establishment?
  6. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    Yep, they think identifying a "gun culture" makes us look like some sort of out-of-step fringe group.

    Note that they steer clear of terms like "green culture" or "promiscuity culture."
  7. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    No more than there is a car culture, a golf culture, a horse culture, a bowling culture.........

    no one seems to be offended by those past times, even when someone drives through a farmers market and kills a bunch of people.
  8. yokel

    yokel Well-Known Member

    Indeed, the right to keep and bear arms that is enumerated in the Bill of Rights is not merely some kind of cultural phenomenon, where people tend to do and believe things simply because other people do as well, like a fad.

    Cultural phenomena are not deeply rooted and they can change with the wind.
  9. Pete D.

    Pete D. Well-Known Member


    I agree that it is or has become a loaded expression as it is used in the press and that it has acquired negative connotations.
    That being said, it is almost silly to state - on a website devoted completely to the detailed analysis of virtually every conceivable aspect of firearm ownership and use - that there is no such thing as a "gun culture".
    And this is just one of many similar fora.
    No gun culture? You gotta be kidding.
  10. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    Okay, on a website dedicated entirely to firearms and their enthusiasts, there might indeed be a "gun culture", but it is real only in the "virtual" sense. We are not all meeting in person every time we log on, and actually doing things with firearms and with each other. I'm trying to stay in the "real world", known sometimes as 3D, as outdated as it appears to be becoming..
  11. jason41987

    jason41987 member

    video games have nothing to do with violence or gun crime... millions of people play shooter games and most of these own guns of their own... its a form of entertainment and little more to most people and advocating any kind of blocks or sensorship on these would be smacking the first amendment in the face which is something i refuse to do just as much as i refuse to restrict any other amendments
  12. Pete D.

    Pete D. Well-Known Member

    Gun culture

    Maybe you are not. Maybe I am not meeting with the individuals who post on the fora to which I contribute but I sure am meeting on a regular and frequent basis with other gun enthusiasts in that 3D world to shoot and to discuss. I am at a gun club meeting twice a month. I shoot ATA trap with friends every Wednesday. I practice for Bullseye competition with another set of friends a couple of times a week and shoot a match every Wednesday evening (after Trap). So.....there is a gun culture and I am involved in it.
  13. jmace57

    jmace57 Well-Known Member

    My Dad grew up in West Texas in the 1920's. He said he didn't know any man that DIDN'T carry a handgun. Was THAT a gun culture?
  14. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    No more than it would be a "pocketknife culture" if they all also carried pocketknives. But, this is an example of the point I'm making, that a large number of people owning guns (and even using them) does not make a "gun culture" in itself, especially if the presence of the guns is not a driving force influencing activities of daily living, or an intensely-pursued hobby or passion.

    And Pete, I was referring to the difference between the "virtual world" (such as this board), and the real one. It would seem that you do in fact participate in a "gun culture" in both realms.
  15. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    The variation in other, non-gun-related interests among gun owners is as broad as it is among antis. Some of us raise horses, some of them do. Some of them sing in a choir, some of us do. And so on.

    What they want each other to believe is that all gun owners are interested in nothing but fondling our guns and planning our next kill. In other words, "gun culture."
  16. toivo

    toivo Well-Known Member

    It's just another of the buzz phrases that the media and the general public like to substitute for actual thought. Another is "We have to get these weapons off our streets." They're not ON our streets. They're in the woods and on rifle ranges and in people's homes. I've never seen anybody on the street with an AR-15, have you? Maybe at an open-carry demonstration, but they're not exactly commonplace.
  17. beeb173

    beeb173 Well-Known Member

    it's as racist a term as hip hop culture. it's meant to mean hill billy.
  18. Pete D.

    Pete D. Well-Known Member


    +1. Great post.
  19. Knotthead

    Knotthead Well-Known Member

    From Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:

    If you are not familiar with these rules, you need to be in order to recognize them when they are employed.
  20. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    Socialists are smart and patient.

    Hijack the language of the debate, marginalize your opponents.

    Rinse and repeat.

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