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(MI) Would gun buyback increase peace?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Drizzt, Jun 17, 2006.

  1. Drizzt

    Drizzt Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Moscow on the Colorado, TX
    Would gun buyback increase peace?
    Saturday, June 17, 2006
    By Theresa D. Mcclellan
    The Grand Rapids Press

    GRAND RAPIDS -- In response to recent gun violence that has killed four people and injured many more, a Kent County commissioner wants to take firearms off the streets by buying them and offering limited immunity to illegal owners.

    Commissioner Paul Mayhue is urging the public to send money to the Kent County Sheriff's Department. He is concerned about months of violence on the Southeast Side of Grand Rapids.

    "If we could get the violence to stop, we could have an anti-gun-violence celebration," he said.

    Police Chief Harry Dolan is skeptical. Studies show buyback programs don't get the right weapons off the street, he said, and gang members would not surrender their firearms.

    Details of the plan still are being developed. Prosecutor William Forsyth said he will not authorize immunity for anyone who shot or robbed someone with a gun.

    "It's way too premature, and it has to be run by a police agency," Forsyth said. "I'm willing to go along within reason."

    Undersheriff Jon Hess said the sheriff's department will support an amnesty program "successfully set up to run." But he doesn't want people sending money to his office.

    "We'll be the receiver of guns. That's how we participated in the past," he said.

    Mayhue has another idea to reduce violence: a peace summit involving gangs. He said pastors Charlie Jones and Kenny Hoskins have agreed to let their churches be meeting places.

    Jones, pastor of Macedonia Missionary Baptist Church on Dennis Avenue SE, said: "It would be a joy to see them there. It doesn't bother me one ounce on who they are."

    Dolan, however, wants nothing to do with a gang summit.

    "I am opposed to any event that provides to individuals who prey on citizens any type of celebrity status," the Grand Rapids chief said.

    Dolan noted the shootings -- in an area roughly bounded by Wealthy and Cottage Grove streets, Division Avenue and the eastern city limit -- have mostly been separate, unrelated incidents.

    "The violence we are experiencing is more disturbing and troubling than gangs," he said. "This type of violence is young people's inability to cope with conflict."

    Dolan recalled a recent incident at the Phillips Recreation Center, where a young person told to leave responded by firing a gun in the air.

    "Categorizing violence in terms of gangs is to minimize the real disturbing concerns of those who feel they have no hope," he said.

    He said ministers should follow their heart about hosting a summit. But the only way he would be among gang members would be to arrest them.

  2. shermacman

    shermacman Participating Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    There, we can all agree with that! And won't it be a wonderful celebration! Imagine! People of all races and creeds and sexual orientation all standing in a circle, holding hands and singing: Kumbayah!!!!!!!
  3. Maxwell

    Maxwell Member

    Jan 19, 2006
    I wonder how much we paid some university genius to figure that out. :rolleyes:

    Why would you still want everyones guns AFTER the violence stops? :scrutiny:

    Peace among the violent youth that have been supercharged via drug money... Well this is as good an idea as the gun buyback was. :banghead:

    Where do these lunatics come from?
  4. armoredman

    armoredman Elder

    Nov 19, 2003
    proud to be in AZ
    The only peace these street thugs know is the peace of the grave.
    Community street gun purchases do nothing but get crime guns broken from the chain of evidence, provide immunity for lawbreakers, waste taxpayer dollars in fruitless exercises, and clutter public places. There is no "buy back" - they never owned them to begin with.
  5. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Senior Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    I can't believe that all of this "gun violence" could be happening... :rolleyes:

    Michigan has very strict handgun control laws, some of which go all of the way back to 1934. All sales, through dealers or private (including gun shows - no loophone here) require a permit from the police or sheriff department prior to the sale, and of course there is a background check too. Then after the sale the pistol or revolver has to be taken back to the agency that issued the purchase permit for a "safety check," which is really regisration. No sales can be made to anyone who is under 21 years of age.

    Could it be that all of these laws aren't working... ???

    Maybe these teens (and others) that won't behave should get to see the inside of a jail...? :evil:
  6. amprecon

    amprecon Participating Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    A person that freely gives away their defensive mechanism invites slavery, oppression, abuse with no means of resistance and therefore deserves every occurrance of mishappence as a result of their decision.
  7. hoji

    hoji Active Member

    Jun 24, 2004
    If the price is right you can always take that 49 dollar .25, let them "buy it back" for $150, and use the money to buy ammo for your working guns:neener:
  8. Bigjake

    Bigjake Participating Member

    May 30, 2003
    North Central Ohio
    arent utopian idiots CUTE!!??
  9. Geno
    • Contributing Member

    Geno Elder

    Jun 11, 2005
    MI age to purchase pistol is different than ownership

    In Michigan, at age 18, a person can have their parents' pistol or revolver transferred for legal ownership. But, they can not purchase one "new". One loophole.

    I discovered this when I purchased a T/C, G2 Contender and a Ruger Bear Cat for our daughter "LilSureShot1994". When she turns 18, they go legally into her name. She's pretty excited.

    But, Re: the topic of the thread, a buy-back? Rubbish!

  10. sterling180

    sterling180 Active Member

    Mar 8, 2006
    Joydens Wood, United Kingdom
    Oh,dear or dear,this almost sounded like, it was set in the county of Kent-in the UK.I see that those strategies,will work perfectly,considering the fact that it is almost done,Uk style and it will have no effect whatsoever,to the causes of crime.

    Still when will authorities learn anyway?

    Kent County Sheriff's department,is almost the same as Kent County Constabulary.Hmmm,soon it might just end up like,in the original Kent.I hope not for your sakes,anyway.
  11. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Salt Lake City, UT
    How can they have a "buyback" for something they never owned in the first place? :confused:
  12. Monkeyleg

    Monkeyleg Mentor

    Dec 25, 2002
    Decatur, AL
    Sounds like the police chief is the only one with any common sense.

    The last "gun buyback" program we had in Milwaukee brought in a couple of hundred guns at best. This in a city of half a million people, and a county of roughly one million.

    You could probably accomplish more by giving $1 to every young person you see with a baseball hat to turn the brim to the front.
  13. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Senior Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Morgan County, Alabama
    As Car Knocker said, how can you buy back what you never owned?
    They might also get a collection of broken junk for guns. That's about all I'd ever be willing to surrender!:neener:

    (I wonder how many murder weapons have been turned in in these boondoggles?????)
  14. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    May 22, 2003
    Lexington,North Carolina...or thereabouts
    Gun Violence

    That's off the scale. Guns can't be violent. Violence requires malice aforethought...which requires a thought process...which requires a brain...which guns don't have. (At least, not that I can prove, though I could swear that a few have deliberately tried to drive me over the edge.)

    How odd that some people don't seem to be able to grasp that concept.
  15. Leanwolf

    Leanwolf Senior Member

    Mar 25, 2006
    " ... a Kent County commissioner (Mayhue) wants to take firearms off the streets ..."

    Hmmm. If firearms are walking around on the street, unchaperoned, why doesn't the good Commissioner Mayhue just go out there and pick them up and put them in a cage????

    End of problem.

  16. mrmeval

    mrmeval Participating Member

    Oct 2, 2004
    Greenwood, Indiana
    Gun buybacks would increase the PRICE.

    If high enough. I'd take a 200 dollar target gift certificate for every junk pistol I could get my hands on or make. :)

    Then sell them on ebay for 100 and buy more guns.
  17. gezzer

    gezzer Senior Member

    Aug 15, 2004
    PC nitwit, feely good gun Buyback? What buyback? They never owned them in the first place. Who is kidding who?
  18. AJAX22

    AJAX22 Participating Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    I disagree with gun buybacks on principal, I don't care if there is money to be made, the Idea of surrendering a firearm to an authority who will destroy it is painfull to me.

    We need to keep as many guns in circulation as possible, and keep them in hands that WE deem responsible.

    You would be better served by taking that fifty dollar gun and making it a gift to a non firearm owning friend who is a responsible individual.
  19. Diomed

    Diomed Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    I dunno man, giving a friend a Jennings jam-o-matic might just wind up costing you that friendship. :p
  20. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Nov 8, 2004
    Spring Hill, Florida
    The only things that gun buybacks increase is the market value of guns normally worth less than 100 dollars.

    And then a parade and airshow, featuring the monkeys that flew out...

    Disarming criminals is no easier than catching them and preventing them from committing crimes. All these anti-gun measures do is disarm people who werent committing crimes in the first place. The criminal gun market is very small and easy to supply, as the UK has demonstrated with their explosion in pistol crime several years after they banned them all.

    Gun buybacks are a lot like telling everyone to turn themselves in at the police station to see if they have warrants. Obviously anyone who shows up isnt going to have warrants. And anyone that does have warrants will continue to avoid the police.

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