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My CCW permit finally arrived! Now I have two questions for you.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by heavyshooter, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. heavyshooter

    heavyshooter Well-Known Member

    Many of you already know the drama of my CCW application. After transferring to Colorado from Texas I was lazy about getting my CCW in my new home state. I made the foolish mistake of calling Arapahoe County in January to apply for my permit; I should have called much, much sooner!!! I called in the middle of the post-election rush. Arapahoe County would only take applications by appointment because so many people were applying for CCW’s. My appointment was 3 ½ months after I called!!! Then the background check took another 3 months. But today I got the long awaited call and immediately went to the Sheriff's office to retrieve my permit. Because I am a law abiding citizen I have not been carrying a firearm since September 2008. I will never allow that to happen again!!! It made me aware of just how true it is that criminals do not care about the law. I left my gun at home but I assure you that the criminal has his gun. I felt naked. That will not happen again.

    While on the way home from the Sherriff’s office I was on the phone with a friend in Texas and he asked if Colorado requires the presentation of my permit during a traffic stop. He reminded me of an occasion when we were both in his car in Texas and we were pulled over. My friend presented his Driver’s License and proof of insurance but he did not present his CCW (Texas CHL). Apparently the Texas Driver's License is flagged for CHL holders because the officer was made aware that my friend had a CHL during the traffic stop. He came back to the car and asked for the CHL and he was mildly annoyed (but never inappropriate) that my friend did not present it with the Drivers License. He then asked if I had a CHL as well; I did. He then asked if we were armed; Ahhhh, YEAH! :rolleyes: He gave us a cordial scolding :) and said, “For future reference, when an officer asks for identification, always include your CHL with your license. It’s the law.” Now this brings up a couple questions.

    1) Is that the law? I am asking for Texas and Colorado particularly, but I am curious about other states as well. I have taken the NRA qualification class and it did not come up in our class.

    2) Do you guys/gals volunteer the fact that you are armed during a traffic stop? As I said before, I desire to abide by the law so if I am obligated to volunteer this information I will certainly comply; a police officer's job is hard enough. But I can’t help but wonder how many of you inform the officer voluntarily.

    Just Picking your brains,

    Last edited: Jul 23, 2009
  2. DocCas

    DocCas Well-Known Member

    Colorado does not have a duty to notify law, but Texas does.
  3. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    In Texas, a Texas CHL holder must identify that they are a CHL holder when asked for ID. If you are an out-of-stater from a state with reciprocity with Texas - I would recommend that you be proactive and inform.


    In fact, from reading the CO reciprocity agreement with Texas it does sound as if the expectation is that the CO permit holder will be subject to Texas state law while in Texas. That is likely true for all reciprocity agreements.

    Your friend was lucky. He could have been written up on a misdemeanor and lost his CHL privileges for a bit as a result.

    When you inform the officer, they will ask you where the firearm is and they will tell you how they (that specific officer) want you to deal with it. Just listen politely and do as asked, so long as it's reasonable and legal. Most importantly, do not leap out of your car and prance around wildly, waving the gun in all directions and screaming, "I'VE GOT A GUN!!". :D
  4. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Well-Known Member

    Oregon, where I live, has no duty to inform law, but they appreciate it if you do. I've been stopped three times in the years I've had a permit and presented my CCW each time. No problems. One cop actually thanked me for presenting it even when I didn't have to. Just makes them less nervous.
  5. Fumbler

    Fumbler Well-Known Member

    In NC, if you are carrying then it's mandatory that you tell an LEO that you have a concealed handgun permit (and are carrying) if they approach you.

    I'm no legal expert, but I don't believe you must give your CHP to the LEO, you only have to tell them you have a CHP and that you are carrying.

    If you get stopped on the road or come to a checkpoint it's always a good idea to hand the LEO your CHP with your driver's license (in addition to telling them). It just makes things easier.
  6. MrCleanOK

    MrCleanOK Well-Known Member

    Oklahoma has duty to inform in our concealed weapons law,
  7. Kind of Blued

    Kind of Blued Well-Known Member

    Colorado has no duty to inform and I prefer to exercise that. You are put into some sort of "criminal database" however (rather obnoxious), and I am under the impression that this is so that a LEO will know that you have the carry permit when he/she runs your info.
  8. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Well-Known Member

    If not required to, I am not volunteering anything. This does of course depend on the state.

    If TX has connected DMV and CHL records, why any need to inform? :confused:
  9. Acera

    Acera Well-Known Member

    I was always under the impression here in Texas, you had the duty to inform only if you were carrying at that time.

    If you were not in possession of a weapon, you have no obligation.

    Now with the motorist protection act, and a non-CHL owner able to have a loaded firearm accessible in his vehicle I don't know where it now stands for non holders.
  10. loadedround

    loadedround Well-Known Member

    I'm from Pennsylvania and it's not necessary to inform a police officer if you're carrying or have a CCW unless asked. However my NRA decal on my back window saved me from a possible speeding ticket when stopped by a Pa State Policeman on the Pa Turnpike several years ago. He was an NRA Life Member also. :)
  11. Deltaboy

    Deltaboy Well-Known Member

    "TX has connected DMV and CHL records, why any need to inform? "

    I have asked that myself and I live here in Texas and I have not got a straight answer other that the boys in Austin wanted it that way.
  12. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Correct. If not carrying you don't need to show the CHL.

    Non CHL holders carrying under the MPA have no duty to inform.

    The last session of the legislature had a bill in the works to remove the duty to inform from CHL holders and make everything the same but the legislative session got seriously derailed with all the voter ID filibuster BS and it was never voted on.
  13. Deltaboy

    Deltaboy Well-Known Member

    Maybe they will get it right in the special session.
  14. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

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  15. Acera

    Acera Well-Known Member

    TexasRifleman, thanks for the clarification.
  16. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    I wondered the same thing. Maybe it gives them an extra thing to hassle you about if you don't have the physical permit on you, kind of like not having proof of insurance even though the vehicle is insured.
    In Oregon it's linked to your DL also. I've probably been stopped four times since getting my chl and have been asked about it once (just one of those "I saw you have a CHL, any firearms in the vehicle?" questions). Maybe I should present it but I feel like why bring it up if they don't. The guys without the license/permit are the ones they need to be nervous about.
  17. 84B20

    84B20 Well-Known Member

  18. ezypikns

    ezypikns Well-Known Member

    So your driver's license flags you as a CHL holder.

    Your license tells the LEO you're a CHL holder and yet you fail to inform him. He doesn't know whether you're carrying or not. And he doesn't know why you didn't inform him.

    So you take a potential problem (the original traffic stop), and immediately move things to another level.

    Why in the world wouldn't you just hand him your CHL along with your DL?

    Oh, I see. The law doesn't require you to.
  19. Bigfro23

    Bigfro23 Member

    I know in Virginia, if stopped for anything traffic/ pedestrian, etc.. you have to present your CWP, and the same in OKlahoma... They know not only by your DL but if they run your plates that you indeed have a CWP... I actually got pulled over twice for Minor traffic Violations in both OK/VA, and actually took great pride in Handing over my CWP....Great Feeling....
  20. heavyshooter

    heavyshooter Well-Known Member

    I was wondering about this myself.

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