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My girlfriend is going to kill me...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by NoobCannon, Mar 7, 2011.

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  1. NoobCannon

    NoobCannon Well-Known Member

    Okay, I've been looking into a hunting rifle for the longest time. Something old, cheap, and reliable. I've been putting around the internet, and saw some wicked deals on Mosin Nagants, and I was all set to place an order. Funny how life throws you curveballs.

    I was in a pawnshop the other day, farting around, killing time. I was checking out the gun counter, drooling over the nice mauser pistol in the display case, laughing at the jiminez pistols for a hair over $100, when I noticed the rifle rack. Normally, there's a Mauser K98 sitting in one spot, which I knew by heart. Nazi-stamped, way out of my price range, but I still drooled over such a piece. It wasn't there. In its place was a Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk1 in .303 for $350 out the door. The Pawnbroker put his best used-car salesman face on, and long story short, I put it on layaway. >_< The part that sealed it for me was the fact it was stamped 1943 on th side of the reciever.

    Did I get a good deal? I know the tub of crud already lied to me once about it(He told me I could find ammo for it at wal-mart. I happen to work there, checked the sporting goods counter, not one single box), so I'm not too keen on this guy already. I've done business through the store in the past, but not through this guy inparticular, so I don't believe the store itself is acting shady, but I'm getting too far ahead of myself.

    It's in very good shape, actually, for its age. The stock is kinda beat up, but the bore and the metal is in good shape. the action was smooth, and I'm fairly confidant that I won't have to worry about a feral hog running away after getting hit by it. Does anyone make any decent aftermarket, drop-in parts for the Enfields? If the date is true and it is a WWII piece, I don't want to modify it in any way, form, or fashion that I couldn't undo with just a screwdriver and an allen wrench.

    Stocks, Sight mounts, and maybe some old army surplus parts is what I'm looking for on this project. Stuff that won't require me hacking up a piece of history just so I can go hunting.

    As for my girlfriend.....pray for me, THR.
  2. redbullitt

    redbullitt Well-Known Member

    I would take her and let her shoot a couple water melons with it. Reactive targets do wonders. That should cheer her right up lol.

    Eh If I were you I would just leave it as is unless something needs repaired. My dad has a similar rifle I grew up shooting. It was plenty accuracte for hunting and plinking.

    I would buy lots of ammo and get some rounds down it.
  3. Bovice

    Bovice Well-Known Member

    She's a girlfriend, not your wife. You still wear the pants. At least I hope you do. .303 should take down anything you could reasonably want to hunt. All those WWII rifles are similar to 30-06.

    300 something for a rifle of serious caliber? Sounds ok to me. You can get ammo, it will probably be from the internet though. Do you reload? If you reload, just get dies for .303 and buy a couple batches online and reload the cases. I'm saying all of this without any experience in shopping for .303 Brit ammo, so take it with a grain of salt. Either way, the price is chump change if you have a decent job.
  4. NoobCannon

    NoobCannon Well-Known Member

    well, if things go as planned, she will be my wife. Problem is her brother is hellbent on labeling us responsible gunowners as girlfriend-murdering maniacs, I try my hardest to convince her otherwise, and she's kinda stuck in the middle. To keep things calm and to keep from decking my future brother-in-law(god willing) I try to keep my firearms purchases to the bare minimum.

    I don't reload, but I would love to get into it. My dad used to reload(and hotload) his own 9mm rounds when he was in the Air Force, so I have immediate access to someone with the know-how, provided I can get my grubby paws on the equipment.

    A scope would probably be good for me, though. My eyesight isn't the best in the world, but I must admit, looking through the sights on the rifle when I looked it over, I was pleasantly surprised. I owned one rifle similar to it(if you can call it that), a Yugo Mauser M24/47, and I loved that gun. The sights however, I did not love. When I get the old gal home I think I'll have to see how well I can shoot open sights. Then again, a new pair of eyeglasses would probably be cheaper than a good scope and a mount.

    And I'm not one to waste fruit. Perhaps water-filled coffee cans instead?
  5. FoMoGo

    FoMoGo Well-Known Member

    Sorry... you dont let others dictate your purchases.
    My wifes family is anti gun.
    They dont like my fire arms... they can stay away.
    You have a hobby... a like... maybe love of firearms.
    If your GF understands, there will be no issues.
    If she doesnt, well... it will end later rather than sooner.

  6. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    I like the No.4 mk1s a lot. These days $350 is not a bad deal. If it is a good one, you'll never cry about having paid that for it -- in fact, you'll never think about it again once you get it home. :)

    It is also a very rewarding cartridge to reload for. The bores tended to have some variations in diameter. As you get a bit more advanced, you can check the true bore diameter and buy bullets that match it exactly, and greatly improve the rifle's accuracy.

    As for the girlfriend and bro-in-law? Yes, you should try to win them over. Taking them shooting is probably the best way. But sooner rather than later you'll need to have a conversation where you clearly explain that this is part of your life now, and it probably will be a continuous and growing part of your life forever. It is part of who you are and who you choose to be. She needs to understand, accept, and even come to appreciate that part of you, or neither of you will ever be happy. And unhappiness makes forever last a darned long time. Both of you need to decide, when the "bloom is off the rose" is this going to be a thorn that makes one of you miserable -- or will acceptance and understanding make your relationship stronger?

    Good luck!
  7. lizziedog1

    lizziedog1 Well-Known Member

    I have said this before, anti-gun and/or anti-hunting were always deal breakers with me. I ain't anything special, but hunting and shooting are part of my life. I did date some gals when I was younger that were not too keen on shooting sports. There is nothing wrong with trying to win them over. But, the hassle wasn't worth it. Besides, when dating we all will bend and try to please each other. Marriage changes all that.

    My wife, bless her soul, is not really into hunting or shooting. But if tell her that I am going to go hunting this Saturday, she wishes me luck and tells me to bundle up and stay warm.

    Trust me, this make life a lot easier.

    Sorry about the hijacking of this thread. Sorry about my ranting. But I know some guys that I don't even ask to join me in hunting because of the hassle they have to go through with their significant others.
  8. swiftak

    swiftak Well-Known Member

    Don't gunshops in Texas sell .303?
  9. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    My wife is from Kentucky. Enough said?

    I like the Enfields. Their actions are very smooth. I am not up on prices though. I have a #1 MK III, which is the previous rifle to the MK IV. Its a good shooter and .303 is a good round.

    As others have said, don't let people dictate your likes and dislikes.
  10. Still Shooting

    Still Shooting Well-Known Member

    SMLE Ammo

    I also have a No. 1 mk III that I picked up years ago for $20, bad barrel and hacked-up stock. It is now a re-barreled sporter. I live in a rural area, but the local feed/garden supply/sporting goods guy carries British 303 ammo - look around at gun shops and I'm sure you'll find some.

    Also, you can go to http://www.midwayusa.com/ and find 14 different brands/bullet types for less then $20/box.

    I like the idea of letting your gf take down a watermelon - it's dramatic, and it makes two good points. First is, shooting can be fun (of course), and second is, treat a rifle with respect 'cause it's capable of doing serious damage. I also like to take 2 gallon cans, fill 'em both with water and stack one on top of the other. When you shoot the bottom can, the top one usually goes vertical for 10-15 feet! (I used to use that one for Hunter Safety classes).

    My wife, who had never handled a gun before meeting me, is now an enthusiastic shooter and this year went deer hunting with me for the first time. She's younger than I am by 35 years, and will turn 30 in June. If you can work on your gf's misconceptions and get her into shooting, you can buy a new rifle and walk in the door carrying it - no need to hide it, or make up a story. I came home with a new 7mm WSM 2 weekends ago. She took a look, hefted the rifle, and said, "When are we going to the range to find out what this thing can do?" -Now that's a good wife!
  11. 2RCO

    2RCO Well-Known Member


    For what it is worth the Pawnbroker might not be trying to mislead you. At one time the local Walmart here carried 303. I don't know if they do now or not.
  12. TraditionalCatholic

    TraditionalCatholic Well-Known Member

    My local Wal-Mart does actually have .303 Brit ammunition right now. But the next closest one, about ten minutes farther, does not. I think maybe there are some Wal-Mart stores that do have .303, but I'll admit that they are probably pretty limited.
  13. essayons21

    essayons21 Well-Known Member

    While your wal-mart may not stock it, any decently stocked gun store will. And theres always the internet. Does the rifle have the ladder-style target sights or the L-shaped flip battle sight? Either way they are plenty good enough for deer hunting. There are scope mounts out there for the Enfield, but I would stay away from them.
  14. benellimax4

    benellimax4 Well-Known Member

    There is a type of man that actually WANTS to be bossed around by his female. This type of man is looking a wife / girlfriend that will become his surrogate new mother. Giving away his personal responsibility to her lets him off the hook for his own actions in his mind. It is a way of not growing up.

    It is hard to help this type of man. He doesn't want to wear the pants.
  15. Armed 24/7

    Armed 24/7 Well-Known Member

    The local Academy stores around here usually have .303 Brit Soft Points in stock, but the Wal-Marts do not
  16. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    I always bargain, squabble and dicker for way-down on pawnshop prices. If it's an out-of-pawn gun, they have about half the asking price in it.

    As far as what I ever bought for myself, the only issue I'd tolerate from my wife is the fairness in the amount of the money spent. If I want a $XXX toy, she has the right to an equivalent $XXX toy of her choice. Outside of that, she has no say in the matter--and vice versa.

    Granted, I was lucky. Years back I brought home a Ruger Blackhawk, and BossLady said, "Ooh, I like that!" so I had to go back and buy a 1911 for me.
  17. tnieto2004

    tnieto2004 Well-Known Member

    How does her brother know you have a gun?
  18. Dan Forrester

    Dan Forrester Well-Known Member

    I used o see 303 British at a Walmart in West Palm Beach Florida back when I lived down there.

    I agree with the other posters here. You need to have a serious talk with your GF. My GF isn’t much into shooting but she knows that I have guns around the house and on me all the time and has no problem with it. When I come home with a new gun purchase or am thinking about buying something new she always gets excited. The excitement is not so much because she’s into shooting but because she knows it makes me happy which is the point of two people being together in the first place.

  19. BrocLuno

    BrocLuno Well-Known Member

    Owning and using a piece of history is an interesting hobby. Trying to get a feel for what front line grunts were dealing with is a lesson all by itself. Since you were drooling over a German Mauser, you seem interested Mil-surp weapons? You can talk to them in a way that leads to understanding that you are interested in the technologies of the Allies and the Commonwealth? Also, the first time you put a venison haunch on the barby and they all get to eat it, will make it much more real to them :)
  20. lightman

    lightman Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the new rifle,hopefully it will be the first of many,many more.I won't offer advice about the gf/wife,except to say to work out the anti-gun thing before your trip to the alter.I like the idea of introducing her to shooting,but a 303 will probably be too much recoil for a newby.You don't want her first expierence to involve pain,injury,or anything negative.Just my opinion,good luck. Lightman
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