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My letter to Wal-Mart

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Cougfan2, Apr 15, 2008.

  1. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Well-Known Member

    Aug 7, 2007
    Portland, OR
    Just went to Wal-Mart's corp web site and sent the following msg via their contact us link.

    "Dear Sirs, I recently saw a newspaper article that stated that Wal-Mart will now be keeping an internal permanent record of firearms transactions as well as photographing the purchasers. While you as a company have a right to enact that policy, I as a law abiding citzen am offended at being treated like a criminal and having my mug shot taken. I will no longer spend a dime at Wal-Mart and will encourage all of my friends in the firearms community to act in like turn."

    Not that it will probably do any good, it just made my blood boil. :fire: Just to make it clear, I am not a Wal-Mart basher. I was really pretty ambivalent about them until this. Vent over!
  2. crux

    crux Active Member

    Jun 17, 2006
    I emailed my protest last night and have not heard a response. My money goes elsewhere!
  3. smee781

    smee781 member

    Jun 14, 2007
    When did this start? I guess I am comming in late to the conversation.:confused:
  4. rollback88

    rollback88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    NW Arkansas
    Lot of smoke, no fire.

    If anything, WM tightening its process and paperwork will help ensure that guns continue to be sold. This is in contrast to reports of sloppy record-keeping that caused guns to be pulled from some stores.

  5. George S.

    George S. Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2004
    Western WA
    It's bad enough that a gun buyer at Wally-World is already treated like a second-class citizen. Not only do you have to typically deal with a clerk that know nothing about a gun sale transaction, you have to wait for an assistant manager to show up to carry your new purchase out the door for you. And on top of that, the manager is caaled on the store PA system and that lets eveyone know you just bought a gun.

    Many Wal-Marts already have security cameras throughout the store and I would expect that one would be trained on the counter and the gun display cases at all times. Having another picture taken (this time publicly) is simply an insult to a citizen wishing to buy a firearm.

    Wal-Mart should not be the final approval or even the equal of the NICS check that is required anyway when buying a firearm at the store. Thinking that they can effectively weed out unauthorized purchases by simply having a picure and a name is foolishness on their part.

    Hell, that's like requiring a weight and width limit on some of the heffalumps you have to fight to get by in the aisles.:D

    I would not expect for anyone that writes and complains about this new policy to hear back from Corporate. They are too big for that and the decision has been made anyway.

    As far as poor record keeping causing stores to stop selling guns, Wal-Mart came out some time ago and stated that removing gun sales from some stores was a purely economic decision. It costs a lot of money to have an inventory of rifles and shotguns kept in a store inventory. If the sale profits did not come close to the cost of the inventory, then W-M removed guns from that store's inventory.

    Poor record keepng is a reflection of poor management and accountability of inventory. Had there been a real problem with firearms inventory, you can bet that the BATFE would have been snooping around some stores.
  6. USMC 1975

    USMC 1975 Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    I have never bought a gun at Wal Mart and never will. I have never bought ammo at Wal Mart and never will.

    I refuse to buy guns and ammo from a company that shares the same bed with Michael Bloomberg.

    I admit though, I do buy my groceries there because they are much cheaper then Publix or Winn Dixie. :)

  7. Hokkmike

    Hokkmike Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2006
    Sullivan County PA
    People should:

    Buy guns from gun stores

    Groceries from grocery stores

    Cars from car dealers

    And Chinese junk from Wal-Mart.
  8. John4me05

    John4me05 Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2007
    Alleghany County VA
    I resemble that remark :(

  9. moooose102

    moooose102 Well-Known Member

    Oct 21, 2007
    West Michigan
    like i said in another post, i will not be buying anything gun related (cleaning supplies, scopes, etc) from wal-mart again. i never have bought a gun from them, and now, never will. it is their loss, not ours!
  10. k-frame

    k-frame Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Outside of Atlanta
    Mayors and Wal-Mart Back Gun Sales Plan

    Here's some of the text from a story on the videotaping:

  11. MarshallDodge

    MarshallDodge Well-Known Member

    Nov 7, 2005
    Utah, USA
    I have had no issues with Walmart up until this, and go shopping there regularly. Walmart is one of the few chain stores that carries guns and ammo anymore.

    Target doesn't carry anything gun related and Kmart's selection is pretty poor yet I see posts on here all the time about how "Walmart in my area no longer carries this or that gun/ammo" and continues on with berating comments about them. :rolleyes:
  12. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Well-Known Member

    Mar 22, 2008
    As a police officer who works in an area that has a Walmart, let me just add a couple of thoughts to this debate:

    Walmart has a security system that is second-to-none in terms of large retailers. You are probably on camera there more than you already know, so this is hardly anything new.

    Having handled my fair share of shoplifting complaints at Walmart, I've been amazed to see how much their "asset protection" folks can do with their cameras and such!

    So, while this kind of thing is annoying on the surface... I imagine that they have been watching their gun counters for a long time anyway (for the record, I don't think that the Walmart in my area sells any guns)
  13. Dksimon

    Dksimon Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    South Dakota
    I usually buy ammo at walmart but a couple of my friends just started working at the local gun shop so it looks like they will get my business from now on. I hate when they ask if your ammo is for pistol or rifle. i was buying .22 ammo and I made the mistake of saying both and since I'm not 21 they refused to sell to me. That was the last time I buy ammo there.
  14. Regolith

    Regolith Well-Known Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    Nevada & Oregon
    Heh, they didn't ask me that question last time I bought .22LR there; didn't even ask for ID....and I'm only 22.

    I thing I'm going to be doing all of my ammo shopping at Bi-Mart from now on, though. It only costs a few bucks more. :uhoh:
  15. GeezerwithGuns

    GeezerwithGuns Well-Known Member

    Nov 24, 2006
    I bought a 10/22 at Wally World last year.

    The sale was a total goat rope from start to finish.

    The sales clerk filled out paperwork wrong so I had a do-over. Then she made an announcement over the PA system calling for a manager to approve a "gun sale in sporting goods." The clerk was then admonished by the manager saying she didn't want to "alarm" their other customers. Say what? :confused: I simply said why didn't you announce that a a customer was "exercising his 2nd amendment rights" and needed a manager's assistance. They didn't think this was funny at all. In fact, they both agreed that they would be glad when Walmart finally got out of the gun business.

    The final straw was taking the "walk of shame" when the manager carries your purchase (gun caddie?) to the parking lot and bids you a not too fond farewell.

    That will be my one and only Walmart gun purchase.:fire:

    The clerk was incompetent, the manager was a total butt wad and I was made to feel like a criminal.

    Wally World can Pi$$ up a rope for all I care. :cuss:
  16. wristtwister

    wristtwister Well-Known Member

    Mar 28, 2008

    When they ask me if the ammo is for a rifle or a pistol, I tell them "yes". When they say "which one?" I tell them "Noneya"... "Noneya business..."
    If they persist, I tell them "I might be target shooting, I might be hunting, I might be shooting an intruder coming into my house... What do you think I'll be doing with the ammunition?" It's usually at that point that they call a manager, or I have to tell them to call a manager because they refuse to sell me the ammo.

    I have a bigger problem finding anybody working in sporting goods to open the ammo cabinet than actually buying ammo from them.

    Remember when K-Mart used to sell guns and ammo? They were busy and a vibrant company. Now, they sell a few boxes of rifle shells and shotgun shells and a little bit of cleaning materials... but you could practice shotgun shooting in the store without hitting anybody. These companies that take political stands on gun sales, etc. and allow the political environment to drive what their sales decisions are, head to bankruptcy in a straight line.

    Pi$$ing off the customer$ i$n't the way to make money. $ending the customer$ to other $tore$ in$n't the way to make money either. A lot of us vote with our checkbooks, and having a national agenda against a political idea that's 100% in conflict with the constitution only puts the company on the wrong side of everybody and everything.

    If it's a recordkeeping problem... train the managers to keep firearms records. If it's just a political agenda, have them contribute to political organizations that support or oppose what they want... but using the company to force problems on their customers is the surest way I know to go down in flames.

    My wife worked part time in the cash office for WM for years, until she died with cancer. When she died, the company sent me a discount card which gives me an employee's discount (10%), so I actually save money buying ammo there. The store where she works never gives me any problems, but the superstores always have the clerks who can't think beyond the rules they're put under, so it's always a talk with the manager to solve a problem... but that's true in almost any business.

    My tact would be to send the corporate offices an email asking them for their policies regarding firearms sales, and then engage the answering person in conversation regarding the issue. If you contact the store managers, they can put you in touch with people in the corporate structure... not just their corporate website... so a little digging will get you better results.


  17. atblis

    atblis Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2005
    Neither here nor there
    I've actually considered

    I wonder if Kmart might be able to help revitalize their stores somewhat if they expanded their gun section (make it better than Walmart).

    Sell some decent cleaning supplies, reloading supplies, etc. Sell some higher quality guns. Heck, sell some surplus firearms. Do/Sell something that Walmart doesn't do.
  18. JDar

    JDar Member

    Jan 16, 2008
    Fortunately in Houston there are Academy stores, Bass Pro Shops, and Sports Authority with better prices than Wal*Mart and quite helpful with ammo choices. Wal*Mart is going down the path of kowtowing to the mayors' group and appeasing the pc folks. I'm sure they'd like to hear more people's opinions about their policy. Maybe they will tell us in a year exactly how many criminals they helped take off the streets.

    From: cstreply@wal-mart.com
    Subject: Response from Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. (Ref #000000019374934)
    Date: April 19, 2008 2:50:27 PM CDT

    Thank you for your message.

    Dear Joe,

    Wal-Mart understands its role as a leading, responsible retailer in the U.S. and is making strides to strengthen its already existing security processes to help combat illegal gun activity in the communities we serve. Wal-Mart has a long and proud history of offering the products hunters and outdoorsmen want and need and that will not change.

    It is important to note that these procedures should not impede law-abiding citizens from purchasing firearms at our stores that sell them. These processes merely provide us, as a retailer, an additional mechanism to assist law enforcement when illegal activity occurs.

    We are hopeful these enhanced processes  with help from law enforcement and other retailers committing to do the same  can make a positive difference in our communities.

    Thank you,
    Wal-Mart Customer Relations

    For further correspondence regarding this issue, please reply to this email.

    ----Your Original Comments Were----

    Comments: Wal*Mart is following the easy and politically correct expedient of allowing the anti-gun mayors' coalition to determine the way gun sales are handled. It's a very unwise decision on your part and very anti-privacy and anti-individual. Existing federal gun laws requiring the call to the FBI for approval are enough to make sure that individuals have no prior criminal record and are cleared to purchase a gun. You've added a layer which invades privacy of honest people and will do nothing to prevent criminals from buying or acquiring guns wherever they presently do. Existing federal gun laws are more than sufficient; fighting crime is where the effort is lacking. Government and now business blame innocent people and punish them while doing little in areas where the real problem lies.How can people ignore the facts that honest people purchasing guns represent one of the most safety conscious and least law-breaking groups of citizens. How can politicians and business people ignore the fact that "gun free" cities are the most dangerous. Look at the statistics available for the number of concealed handgun license holders involved in any crime--it is astoundingly low. The information for Texas, for example, is easily available online should you care to look.Your complicity with Mayor Bloomberg's group will result in fewer people using Wal*Mart not only in the hunting and outdoors department but also overall. I wish Sam Walton was still alive and running an innovative and growing American business. You are adding to an annoying and offensive and meaninglessly inefficient layer of bureaucracy.

    This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
    intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are
    addressed. If you have received this email in error destroy it
    Wal-Mart Confidential
    This individual entity choses to share the message.
  19. FTA84

    FTA84 Well-Known Member

    Jun 5, 2007
    As said before in other posts on the subject.

    It doesn't seem like they are really doing much besides appearing to do something.

    This is good business. They are trying to walk the middle between those who like guns and those who don't and make some publicity in the process.

    As for the embarrassment of buying guns. I hardly doubt it is limited to firearms purchases. I once heard a clerk ask a stockboy to get the customer a replacement box of hemmoroid creme across four (packed) registers. They then communicated loudly across the isles the details (brand, size, ect) of the purchase.

    Walmart treats everyone like a criminal. Criminals make livings ripping off places like Walmart and the Home Depot. Ever get chased down by one of the rent a cops because your cell phone set off their alarm system? I think I'd rather have the modest and unnoticable walk out than red lights and techno sounds.
  20. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    New Mexico
    I have yet to buy a gun from Walmart, and now probably won't now.

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