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National Victory, Defeated States

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MagnumDweeb, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. MagnumDweeb

    MagnumDweeb Well-Known Member

    It looks like there won't be a federal AWB or magazine capacity restriction. I know not to hold my breath and I keep writing my Congress critters but are already pro-gun as it is, or at least unwilling to turn anti-gun. But it looks like certain states are headed more and more into the anti-American category. Defining anti-American as states that infringe upon any amendment in the BOR.

    New York was long considered a lost cause by a lot of us (New Yorkers included, we still have to keep up the political pressure and donate to any legal funds for lawyers taking on their anti-American laws). Minnesota is a hare's breath away from going full Obama party line. Colorado is just about there on the Obama party line. California was plain nuts before any of this but it looks like they are going to try for full on anti-American as soon as possible. Other than that I don't know of any other shifting changes. I would think New Jersey and Maryland would be jumping the anti-American train but I haven't heard anything about that.

    I've said, since the panic started, that it's thirteen versus thirty-seven. Thirteen states that will walk almost lock-step with the anti-American democrats and republicans (yes republicans are guilty too of throwing liberties out the window, and yes some democrats are good about protecting those liberties). So nationally we might go unscathed but certain states will fall farther into the anti-American influence and suffering.

    With that said, what do you think the aftermath will be. I ran across this youtube documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZO30lPGm4&list=PLVLAyAfRWGI_g2E7snyBzjjYvwT3WdCMK , and I followed it to the YounTurks review of it. Somehow my state of Florida with all its freedoms is responsible for all of the gun murders in Chicago. My freedom is killing people. My rights, my American rights, my god given rights, are the reason Chicago is a failure in gun deaths and crime prevention.

    So if these states pass these anti-American laws and they fail. I believe the rest of us will be blamed. Wait I know the rest of us will be blamed. 99.99% of gun owners will be blamed, vilified, and persecuted or at least there will be attempts to persecute.

    Some of us are too quick to say "well that's California's problem" or "thank god I don't live New York, let the devil have it".

    With the way this country is polarizing, the pro-American crowd is shrinking. Yes there is a resurgence we have desperately needed for a long time. But it's not enough. I used to think I had to be reproductively responsible. Limit myself to having only two kids. Limit myself to consuming a certain amount of goods. Make charitable donations to non-profits that help the less fortunate. Now my eyes are open.

    Now I'm going to work like a machine (hello two eighty hour work weeks a month, known you a while, was hoping you'd go away, but you're here to stay along with your cousins the two sixty hour work weeks a month). Now I'm going to have three to four kids (the fiancee said okay, long as we put a few grand away a year for their college education). Now I'm going to buy canned goods for myself, shop more at Goodwill (used to feel bad about buying good jeans there for three bucks or less but [blank] that) for clothes, take up gardening, and avoid making my quarterly food pantry drop offs (found one that would let me drop off big bags of rice and beans along with tuna fish cans, it's part of a church).

    Charitable donations, now that is off the table. In 2011 I donated five hundred bucks around christmas time between a few different charities. In 2012 I almost donated a $1,000 but then Sandy Hook happened and I quickly blew through it before the panic ramped up. Now I'm going to sock away four grand for after Christmas to stock up for the year on factory ammo and reloading needs. I joined the NRA and have been donating money and will likely keep doing it every month. Hey I'd love to give ten bucks a month to help feed starving children here in America but it's not my fault, blame the liberals for making me believe the NRA needs and deserves it more. Soon as the liberals stop trying to destroy the second amendment I can donate that money to starving children here in America.

    I'm going to come up with a list of anti-American companies to boycott. Try to spend my money on made in America goods so long as the company isn't anti-American. And try to find a legal fund to donate five bucks a month to so long as they are making for a real fight in the courts against gun control.

    So will you help me, will you join me, can we stop playing nice with the anti-Americans. Can we admit we're acting to protect our rights and damn the collateral damage, so long as we are not doing anything illegal. Let them call us uncaring, insensitive, and unfeeling, it's a lie, we know it. We just happen to also know there ways are the wrong ways, the dangerous ways, the ways that lead to suffering, tyranny and enslavement.

    Let any all defeats fuel us as they have in the past. Let them give wood and oil to the flame of liberty and resistance. Let this flame light the path of freedom and cast light on those that seek to betray us.
  2. r1derbike

    r1derbike Well-Known Member

    Please don't be lulled into a false sense of security. Even if the AWB fails, another registration scheme will be hot on its heels to scream ahead to gun confiscation. If the AWB fails, it is nothing but a sacrificial lamb in the grand scheme of disarmament. The AWB/Magazine, Handgun/Magazine Feinstein atrocity is now a facade (although we shouldn't hold our breath just yet, about it) to far more ominous, and devious gun banning.

    I have not seen such cloak-and-dagger politics played behind closed doors to such a degree. This administration will not rest until gun control and eventual confiscation is accomplished. The signs are clear, heed them. Keep the pressure on your representatives. This battle is far from over. It may take a different tack, but we still need to be in the fight.

  3. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

  4. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    I am not a Texas secessionist. I believe secession would be legal, could be peaceful, and should not be done.

    My fear is that the idiots you're describing could easily push enough Texans into the attitude you're describing to make it happen... and then things will be worse.

    We need a Constitutional reawakening in this country. If it is to happen, I'm afraid the Judicial branch is our last hope. Groups like the NRA-ILA need to be putting their focus on comprehensive litigation, not a patchwork of legislation.
  5. Harvie

    Harvie Active Member

    Yes, I'll support you. The movement is growing.
  6. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    You said it... and I'm not kidding. Heartbreaking is what it is.
  7. C5rider

    C5rider Well-Known Member

    There's a LOT said in that one statement.
  8. r1derbike

    r1derbike Well-Known Member

  9. Silent Bob

    Silent Bob Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately we now have half the country more than willing, happy even to sell out their own, as well as your rights, in exchange for a card they can swipe for free groceries, free birth control, free phone. "Free" meaning they did not pay for it.

    Talk about Amnesty 2.0 for illegal immigrants in this country that will turn my red state purple overnight and make it nearly impossible for anyone without a (D) next to their name on a ballot to ever win an election again.

    A generation of young adults indoctrinated by a public school system that promoting multicultural "diversity" and the gay agenda are the only issues that matter.

    Its hard to see any kind of light at the end of this tunnel, except for that of the oncoming train.
  10. ATLDave

    ATLDave Well-Known Member

    Silent Bob, there are plenty of people in favor of gun control who are not interested in anything free. They simply think they will be safer if there are fewer guns around.

    They're wrong, but if you begin with the assumption that gun control is primarily driven by some "socialism" is to misunderstand the motives of many (though not all) of those on the other side of the issue.

    Gay rights, of course, has nothing to do with guns.
  11. mmitch

    mmitch Well-Known Member

    As violent crime rates continue to escalate in anti-Second Amendment states, as they surely will, those statistics will make our case for us, if those who are open-minded, at all, will believe those realities.

  12. Steel Horse Rider

    Steel Horse Rider Well-Known Member

    The binding force of all these anti-traditional American value groups is an old saying that is not necessarily true: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Firearm ownership falls under the umbrella of "traditional values" so the leftists, counter culture practitioners, GLBTs, and anarchists accept elimination of private firearm ownership as a victory for their side despite the obvious evidence that self-defense is even more important to themselves than to those defending the Second Amendment. Politics does indeed make for strange bedfellows.
  13. Larry Ashcraft

    Larry Ashcraft Moderator Staff Member

    Let's try to keep this thread on topic.

    I've deleted a bunch of posts. If you wish to bicker with another member, please take it to PM, instead of trashing a thread.
  14. MagnumDweeb

    MagnumDweeb Well-Known Member

    Please keep this highroad. I am for gay rights personally. Also remember the pink gun folks, the gays for guns folks. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, the other side as used against us and we should work to do so in turn. At my core I've also believed in the fundamental amendments. The Bill of Rights. You want to keep your gun rights your going to have to bend in other areas. Sorry guys that's how it is.

    Politicians, repeat Politicians, use the pro-choice(abortion) agenda to rally their constituents and more often than not they use those constituents to justify destroying the 2nd Amendment. Pro-Gay Rights is the same story. Amnesty for illegal Aliens is the same story. Jingoism, xenophobia, and homophobia are easy temptations for some to get into. And if we give into them we are damning ourselves into the loss of the 2nd Amendment. Face it, unless this country collapses under its own wait there we be no opportunity for a reset. We are all too civilized and good for a reset outside a collapse of this nation.

    There are plenty of illegal aliens who if given the chance would vote Pro-RKBA. I know, I represent illegal aliens injured in construction accidents (hey i get to go after employers who knowingly use illegal aliens and make them pay my bills which I use to employ people and buy guns with, and make donations to the NRA with). There are homosexuals who believe in the 2nd Amendment and consider destroying it a travesty. I know because I occassionally go shooting with two NRA members who are gay and convinced me to reup my membership.

    At the end of the day we should back our brother and sisters-in-arms regardless of their race, creed, gender, national origin, or sexual orientation so long as they stand the same way on the 2nd Amendment and 1st Amendment. The rest we can dicker over later at this point I say because not much will change till it's time for Obama to leave office, and that's only if the Republicans make more inroads into the house and senate.

    One of my less tolerant friends is big time anti-pro-choice. I asked him how he or the government could tell a woman what to do their body, but the government couldn't tell him what to do with his gun. Roe v. Wade came out of the judicial interpretation of the right of privacy (oddly it followed the rights of homosexuals having the right to engage in homosexuality in private and not be prosecuted for it). So if you body is not private enough, then how is your gun private enough.

    No war, no struggle, is ever fought clean or without surrendering some ideals. Heck old Abe Lincoln originally didn't want to free the slaves, but after a few years of bloody fighting he did. We bombed the heck out of Japan and Germany before finally winning and killed a lot innocent people by which today we refer to as collateral damage, and collateral damage today is perfectly acceptable. A price of doing business so to speak.

    So reaching out to homosexuals, illegal aliens, and other folks whom you might not necessarily agree with. In order to protect the 2nd Amendment, is in my opinion collateral damage. Acceptable collateral damage.

    So let's keep this highroad. Lets bring everyone together we can. Otherwise we face losing it all. The fifties so many of us are fond of are gone (for non-whites and homosexuals it was not that fond of a time). Today is a new day. Today is a day of cleverness, tenacity, at times amorality, and pandering. If we don't do it, well they already are.

    If a hundred dollars would turn a anti-American to a Pro-RKBA, well brother, whether or not that person made Liberache look dull, whether or not that person felt abortion was acceptable, whether or not that person was an illegal alien (if they can vote), I'd spend it.
  15. radiotom

    radiotom Well-Known Member

    So do your gay friends vote for people they view as anti-gay rights if they are pro-RKBA?

    I think the core issue here is that RKBA is not most people's #1 issue. It can be very tempting for people on "the left" who are pro-RKBA to vote for Obama etc, because they agree with him on everything else. This is why we are in this mess, because RKBA isn't #1.
  16. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    Wow Magnum, righteous posts. You appear to be quite an even-handed and enlightened individual. A hearty "Amen Brother" to my fellow Central Floridian. Will gladly stand by you in the cause.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2013
  17. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    The Feinstein AWB may appear dead, but the President supports it. He wants a vote... as they say, up or down. Presidents always say that when they can't get their way.

    The concepts or portions of the Feinstein bill could be placed into new gun control legislation. This is not a time to ease up to slip into "hibernation".
  18. 41wheelgun

    41wheelgun Well-Known Member

    Guys, let's not get to comfortable now. Don't forget the 2014 mid term elections. Obama know's he could not get any weapons banned with the current House, so he is banking on taking over Congress in 2014 and then the Dems can pass anything they want, like the did with Obama Care.
  19. phil dirt

    phil dirt Well-Known Member

    As others have said let's don't get complacent. The Senate could go either way. We need to call and write Harry Reid's office. Also, this whole notion of ten round magazines is total BS. Are the gang bangers going to start buying 10 round mags for their Glocks?
  20. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    There is no indication of any kind that the dems will re-take the house. They KEPT the house for doing what they are doing right now.

    I am being very cautious. I think they will talk big with a ban, and then back off and attach universal background checks to a very tempting bill to get it in. Whether or not it passes depends on how lucrative the bill is.

    The lines between the ideologies are indeed becoming more distinct.

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