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Need 9mm 115/124 Grain Powder Recommendation

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by fmnnc, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. fmnnc

    fmnnc New Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    Oak Level, North Carolina
    Getting ready to load some 9mm for the first time. Lots of powder choices but would like some input from the group for the above specified bullets. I've been happy with Hodgdon powders thus far with my rifle but am open to any suggestions for pistol. Loads will be used for target shooting.

  2. strat81

    strat81 Senior Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Hodgdon Titegroup
    Hodgdon Universal
    Alliant Power Pistol
    Winchester 231
  3. dannyabear

    dannyabear New Member

    May 4, 2007
    231 or power pistol
  4. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Mentor

    Sep 15, 2007
    S.E. Minnesota
    My favorite powder for 9mm is Green Dot. When I ran out, I switched to Promo because I had 8 pounds of it. Promo works almost as well as Green Dot. Red Dot is pretty much identical to Promo but it costs a little more -- but you don't have to buy 8 pounds at a time.
  5. baz

    baz Active Member

    Dec 16, 2005
    I think you'll get as many choices as you get answers, but I like AA #7.
  6. scrat

    scrat Mentor

    Jan 27, 2007
    Monrovia, CA
    every time i see someone looking for load data i always post the same thing. The link is really good. This guy actually did his home work. Looked a lot of load data and has it readily available. I have used his information a lot myself. The load data is really good. I always refer to it. so without further delay here you go.

    (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter,
    HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose, FMC= Full Metal Case, FMJ= Full Metal Jacket
    JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet)

    Loads for 9 MM Luger:
    (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
    (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
    Bullet size is .355" (jacketed) in diameter. Cast bullets for 9mm (like Lead RN) are often .356" diameter.
    Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start 10% under these charges and work up.
    THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS! - NOTE, powder companies have reduced some of these hot and maximum loads after these figures were posted. You might check current loads from powder company before loading maximum loads.

    90 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point)
    Bullseye 5.0 gr. 1,250 FPS
    Unique 6.1 gr. 1,341
    HP38 5.8 gr. 1,349
    HS-6 8.1 gr. 1,380
    No. 2 4.8 gr. 1,331
    No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,343
    231 5.1 gr. 1,305
    100 grain JHP or FMC (Jacketed Hollow Point)
    Bullseye 4.9 gr. 1,182 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,248
    HP38 5.5 gr. 1,282
    HS-6 7.5 gr. 1,313
    No. 2 5.2 gr. 1,190
    No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,200
    No. 7 9.0 gr. 1,230
    231 5.1 gr. 1,235
    WAP 6.0 gr. 1,155
    VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,180
    115 grain FMC
    Bullseye 4.3 gr. 1,180 FPS
    Unique 6.1 gr. 1,185
    Universal 5.0 gr. 1,149
    Clays 3.9 gr. 1,095
    HP38 5.1 gr. 1,167
    No. 2 4.4 gr. 1,092
    No. 5 7.0 gr. 1,192
    231 4.2 gr. 1,135
    WSL 4.5 gr. 1,105
    WSF 5.7 gr. 1,165
    WAP 6.0 gr. 1,162
    VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,130
    125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
    Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
    No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
    No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
    231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
    WSL 3.8 gr. 985
    WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
    125 grain FMC or JHP
    Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,155 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,150
    Universal 4.9 gr. 1,118
    Clays 3.7 gr. 1,056
    HP38 4.8 gr. 1,088
    No. 2 4.1 gr. 1,057
    No. 5 6.4 gr. 1,200
    231 4.1 gr. 1,095
    WSL 4.1 gr. 1,025
    WSF 5.3 gr. 1,115
    VV 3N37 6.3 gr. 1,165
    145 grain Lead RN (Round Nose)
    Bullseye 3.5 gr. 942 FPS
    Unique 3.8 gr. 1,108
    HS6 5.0 gr. 968
    No. 2 3.7 gr. 893
    No. 5 5.1 gr. 984
    No. 7 7.2 gr. 1,052
    WSF 3.9 gr. 961
    147 grain FMJ or JHP
    Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,010 FPS
    Unique 4.4 gr. 1,010
    Universal 3.7 gr. 851
    HS6 6.0 gr. 973
    No. 2 4.0 gr. 888
    No. 5 5.3 gr. 991
    WSF 4.3 gr. 935
    WAP 4.7 gr. 964
    HP-38 3.5 grs. 818 to 825 fps (contributed by a friend)

    Discussion: Bullseye is a fast burning powder and perhaps better suited to the small cases like the 9mm. It burns completely and fast. Unique is a very consistent burning powder and it is almost a tossup with the heavier bullets. Universal, Clays and HS6 are from Hodgdon and similar to Bullseye and Unique. HS6 is slowest of the group (Similar to 2400) and takes quite a bit more powder. Respectively are No.2 and No.5 from Accurate.
    As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. For any loads over 900 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air.

    Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders.
    Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders.
    IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company.
    No. 2, No. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company
    WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div.

    References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet - - Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders' Guide (1995) - - Hodgdon's Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) - - Speer Reloading Manual, #12 - - Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition - - Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. - - VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) - - Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted.

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  7. huntershooter

    huntershooter Participating Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    HS-6 meters beautifully. Is accurate (124 gr.) out of my pistols. Best at upper end velocities. For a "target" load, hard to beat Win. 231.
  8. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Senior Member

    Jan 18, 2005
    IDPA junkie in DFW, TX
    My favorite 9mm load is 4.1 grs of Bullseye on a 124gr FMJ. For cast lead I like a 124gr flat point on 3.8 grs of Bullseye. Both are super accurate in my guns, especially the cast bullet.
  9. benchgrinder

    benchgrinder New Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    Another vote for HS-6 with 124gr projectile, and yes it's best at the higher end velocities. I have also tested and enjoyed 231, Power Pistol, AA#7, WSF and American Select. I'm about to start working up loads for Hodgdon Universal Clays and Titegroup. 9mm is such a versatile caliber.
  10. bakert

    bakert Participating Member

    May 1, 2005
    Almost all of my practice loads are with 125 gr cast bullets. HS6, AA5 and AA7 are the powders I use most. They work very well with jacketed bullets too.
  11. safarihunter

    safarihunter New Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    Northern Indiana
    Great link from scrat
  12. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Nov 20, 2006
    AA #5, Universal Clays, W231, WSF, True Blue, N330, N340
  13. wally

    wally Elder

    Jan 2, 2004
    Houston, Tx
    +1 to Unique in 9mm. Burns much cleaner in high pressure rounds like 9mm and .40S&W than it does in .45ACP or .38Special.

    The loads published by Scrat are hot. I use 3.7gr Unique witth a 147gr hard cast lead TCFP from Bushwacker and when mixed in with 147 grain Winchester Ranger SXT in a "Dutch load" magazine they feel about the same and are a great practice analog for the much more expensive JHP round. I've shot many thousands of these in a wide variety of pistols and while pretty hot they are certainly safe.

    If you screw up and double charge it'll overflow the case so you can't miss it. I did run my powder measure dry once and produced some super light loads and squibs, if you are paying attension when shooting you'll cleary note the reduced recoil and report and hopefully note the fact that gun might not fully cycle.

    When shooting reloads, "tap-rack-bang" drills should be off the adjenda should you have a failure.

    I'd be concerned that his 125gr lead round nose load with 6.0 gr unique might be a misprint! I stopped at 5.2 grs with this bullet and find a 124 gr hard cast lead TCFP (the longer bearing surface maxes out with less powder!) with 4.7gr Unique shoots about like 124gr factory +P.

    So big +1 to use these as a guide and start 10% below what he's listed!

  14. JDGray

    JDGray Mentor

    Sep 16, 2005
    SW MI.
    Power Pistol, 5.5gr for both bullet weights. I also like HS6, but its a little dirty:)
  15. fmnnc

    fmnnc New Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    Oak Level, North Carolina
    This is some great information gentlemen. Comments about burning clean, dirty, meters well, and etc. were just what I was looking for! Scrat went above and beyond...thank you sir...some great info and is very much appreciated. 10-4 on the "hot"!

    Again...is this a great group or what. Hats off to the person or persons that started THG!

  16. RustyFN

    RustyFN Senior Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    West Virginia
    Titegroup and HS-6 are my two favorite powders. I have been hearing some great things about WSF and am going to try some the next time I need powder.
  17. Shell Shucker

    Shell Shucker New Member

    Mar 4, 2006
    Hodgdon Universal Clays is my favorite 9mm powder. It meters well, burns cleanly, accurate, produces good velocities, and is a good fit. It's also very versatile. I use it in warm (not hot) .357 and .45 Colt. Great powder for 20 and 28 ga.
  18. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Senior Elder

    Nov 25, 2006
    Northeast PA, USA
    W-231 - very accurate (good target loads)
    Longshot - very accurate (great for high speed jacketed bullets)
    Powder Pistol - accurate (not as much velocity as Longshot)
    HS-6 (good all around 9mm powder but the above 3 are better)
  19. evan price

    evan price Mentor

    Dec 7, 2005
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    I load a 124-gr Rainier HP on top of 4.2 grains of Titegroup and a Win SP primer in range brass.
  20. hotwheelz

    hotwheelz New Member

    Sep 17, 2007
    Pacific Northwest , Puget Sound
    I would say Titegroup, or Reddot I like the reddot more b/c its a bulkier powder you couldnt double charge the case if you wanted to and runs pretty clean for me.

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