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Need Advice 5 Inch Group

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by studz223, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. studz223

    studz223 Member

    I Picked My Wife Up A Remington Model 7 in 260rem
    It Came with A Bushnel "Buck Horn" 3x9 scope.
    The scope is in kinda Rough shape.
    I cleaned up the foregrip so it dosen't contact the Barrel.
    Barrel and Action are in Mint Condition.
    I shot 140 grain remington Corelocks.
    It Only Has an 18" Barrel.
    Should I try A Lower grain bullet?
    Should I try A new Scope?
    I Only Have 1 Range Day Before Dear Season Opens and I need this thing Tightened Up.
    Please help!
    Thank you,
  2. hotlead

    hotlead Well-Known Member

    I would swap out the beat up scope with a scope that has shown you it holds zero.
  3. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Yep, try a different scope. Check the mounts/rings.
  4. 10-96

    10-96 Well-Known Member

    Also try different brand/weight ammo. Your wife's 7 just may not like the Remington ammo. Sometimes rifles are just funny that way.
  5. JimKirk

    JimKirk Well-Known Member

    Did you try the rifle for groups before you "cleaned up the foregrip so it dosen't contact the Barrel" ?

    Some rifles will shoot better with a pressure point along the barrel channel. I would try a thicker piece of paper(business card) under the barrel about where the original pressure point was. Experiment with the thickness...vary the pressure... you "may" find the gun will then shoot better groups.

    Jimmy K

    FLNT4EVR Well-Known Member

    Remington model 7's have very lightweight barrels in order to save weight. They heat up very fast which will open your groups up.I shoot no more than 3 shots in a string,sometimes only 2 then let the barrel cool before continuing .They are capable of much better accuracy than what your getting.
  7. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    That was NOT the thing to do!

    IF, you removed the forward pressure point in the end of the forearm.....

    The model 7 has a thin walled barrel and needs the forward pressure point in the end of the forearm, the pressure point does not cause point of impact shift solely on its own, but is contingent on action screw torque and barrel temperature, that is, the point of impact will shift when the barrel heats up during shot strings, or the action screws are not torqued to the best amount.

    The model 7 is quite sensitive to action screw torque, and this was probably the culprit, not the forward pressure pad.

    Based on your time constraints, you might torque the action screws in this order...

    Front screw first, torque to 20 INCH pounds.

    Rear screw second, torque to 20 INCH pounds, EXACTLY.( this is the MAXIMUM amount of torque for the rear action screw)

    Third, torque the front action screw to 30 INCH pounds.

    Shoot the rifle and see how it does, you can go a MAXIMUM of to 35 INCH pounds on the front action screw, if 30 lb/in. does not do well, but simply adding torque to the front screw, may or may not remedy the problem, after all, the pressure point has been removed, so you indicate.

    The Model 7 is not a rifle that will shoot tight groups with a heated barrel, so let the barrel cool back to the temperature the barrel was for the first shot, after each shot.

    As for the pressure point, you may have to jam 'something' in the barrel channel, under the bottom side of the barrel, and not touching the sides of the barrel to add upward pressure to the barrel, furniture bumpers, cardboard, noggahide(synthetic leather)...something.

    Contrary to popular belief, removing the pressure point does not always facilitate enhanced accuracy, after all, why would so many rifles have stocks that utilize these pressure points, it is easier to make a stock without a pressure point, so....

    Pay close attention to your action screw torques, no more than 20 INCH pounds on the rear screw!
  8. Legionnaire

    Legionnaire Well-Known Member

    As others have said, not the thing to do with a Model 7. I tightened the groups on a Model 7 (.243) by building in a front pressure point into a stock that had had it removed. Used some JB Weld. Groups are not yet what I want them to be (about 1.5"), but better than they were, and certainly minute-of-whitetail.
  9. stubbicatt

    stubbicatt Well-Known Member

    Before futzing with something semi permanent like JBWeld, try some cork.

    Corking barrels has long been an accuracy "trick," and might get you some relief. Best of all, you can shift it fore and aft in the barrel channel until you find the point of greatest return.

  10. kaferhaus

    kaferhaus Well-Known Member

    chances are very likely that it's the scope. I've removed the pressure point from numerous Model 7s as well as other rifles and none of them ever shot worse with it removed.

    However I never removed it from a rifle that was shooting good with it there. With a Model 7 as with any pencil barreled rifle, realistic accuracy expectations shouldn't be less than about 1.5 MOA.

    I have one that shoots right at .75 in 243win with reloads and that's the best I've seen with my own two eyes... Like everyone else I've read on the net where guys are claiming they're getting .5" groups out of them..... BS
  11. studz223

    studz223 Member

    Thank You All

    I Put my 2x7 Redfield on it.
    (I know It holds zero 2" 5 shot groups with my CVA.)
    I Used a Fat Wrench and retorqued everything.
    Im going to Buy a box of 120 Grain Fed. Fusion Ammo.
    I Will Bring Stuff With Me To ReCreate A Contact Point If She Still Wont Group.
    ....Wish Me Luck!
    Thank You ALL For your HELP!!!

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