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Need help with FAL problem

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mr Kablammo, Jul 5, 2006.

  1. Mr Kablammo

    Mr Kablammo Well-Known Member

    To celebrate July 4th I took my CIA or CAI FN/FAL to the range with some surplus ammo. After about 30 rounds it seems that the bolt has jammed into the barrel. The bolt WILL NOT BUDGE. I am not sure if the round in the barrell is fired or unfired. I took the receiver off at the hinge and the dust cover. The 'bolt shroud' is not all the forward and the extracter is exposed for an inch or half inch.

    What can be done to safely get the thing unstuck?
  2. goon

    goon Well-Known Member

    Have you tried pulling back on the charging handle while bumping the butt against the ground?
    Sounds silly but it works and it is both my FAL manuals.
  3. ShootAndHunt

    ShootAndHunt Well-Known Member

    remember he might have a live round in the chamber. If so, it is very dangerous to do so, the gun may fire out of battery.

    I suggest to have a qualified gun smith to handle this if you are not sure whether the last round fired or not.
  4. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    It may be a failure to extract. If you have your gas system tuned for your current ammo, and then get an underpowered round, it won't extract properly. It can be real sticky, too.

    I aleviated this problem by placing the rifle's stock on the ground, muzzle up and angled well away from me. Then I stomped on the charging handle.

    Now, if you can actually crack the rifle open, that means the bolt's all the way forward, or very nearly so. (It's not a para is it?)

    If you're really unsure, though, go ahead and take it to a gunsmith who knows FALs, or is at least familliar with autoloading rifles.
  5. kfranz

    kfranz Well-Known Member

    You just made Dieudonne Saive roll over in his grave. DO NOT stomp the handle, do the pogo as suggested by goon. It works, and it doesn't break stuff that isn't supposed to be broken.
  6. Bwana John

    Bwana John Well-Known Member

    The PoGo is intergral part of the "Manual of Arms" for the FAL.

    Stupid adjustable gas system:barf:
  7. Seven High

    Seven High Well-Known Member

    Mr. Kablammo: After you get the round out of the chamber of your weapon, I suggest that you obtain a M14 chamber cleaning brush. It has a ratchet that allows thorough cleaning of the chamber. It works very well.
  8. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    This is the way to do it. Let inertia and gravity work the magic. Keep it pointed up and your body parts out of the line of fire.
  9. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member


    Banging the buttstock on the ground is better for the rifle than putting more pressure on the charging handle?

    They are correct, though, to get the bolt to go back all the way forward, the buttstock on the ground pound will usually do it. Problem is, when I did this, I still couldn't get the bolt to retract and eject the case.

    "Stomped" may be a bit of an exageration, I just needed more leverage. Nothing broke. Just set my foot on the charging handle and pushed down. Case ejected.

    I saw a guy shear locking lugs off of an M16 bolt doing the "banging the stock on the ground" thing. Obviously, though, locking lugs aren't a problem on the FAL.

    My solution to this issue was to leave my gas system set on "3". A lot of guys like it on 5.5 or so, just barely giving it enough pressure to cycle the given load. Reduces recoil, but this problem crops up then if you have a round that's generates less pressure than the rest.

    The first time it happened, I was unable to pull the charging handle back with my hand. The second time, it was sticky, but I was able to retract the bolt by hand. After that, the gas system's been on "3". Problem hasn't come up since.
  10. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    Charging handles have sheared using your method. You don't have to bang the butt pad. It doesn't take that much pressure to ease the bolt back. It is already off the locking shoulder.
  11. kfranz

    kfranz Well-Known Member

  12. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    We sure see a lot of charging handles for sale, minus the stop lug. :neener:
  13. goon

    goon Well-Known Member

    When I do it I don't actually bang the stock on the ground. You just grab the charging handle and keep pulling back on it while you bump the butt on the ground or shooting bench.
    I would prefer to not use my feet on a FAL. On a Mosin I could understand it though.

    Something else I have seen work if he still has a case in the gun and it isn't quite in battery is this. You can take a wide flat screwdriver, wrap it with electrical tape, place it in the gap between the bolt and the back of the barrel and carefully (CAREFULLY) twist the handle. It will often give just enough of leverage to break things loose. I did this a couple weeks ago to help a shooting buddy get his 9mm unjammed.
  14. Jordan

    Jordan Well-Known Member

    I too have read in FAL manuals of the "foot stomp" method. Whether you like it or not, or choose to do it to your rifle or not, is up to you. But it IS a prescribed solution.

    I've had to do it to my DSA.. frequently as a tight, sticky chamber broke in. My gas setting played a part in this OR when I tried turn to the "grenade" setting.. would do it EVERY time on that setting.
  15. Mr Kablammo

    Mr Kablammo Well-Known Member

    Thank you for all the replies, even if some were intended to amuse each other ;) I got a wooden dowl from the hardware store and marked it off in inches and poked it down the barrel. The depth was enough that I was satisfied that the bullet had been fired. After that I let the barrel sit under an air conditioning vent and turned down the AC. The next step would have been to place in a bag in the freezer. Fortunately cooling off indoors seemed to be enough as a few taps with a hammer and wooden block dislodged the bolt.

    I tried manhandling the charging handle at the range and slightly bent it. Sigh. So, I will try cleaning the chamber real good and trying a higher grade of milsurp ammo. The gas setting was '6' as it was being 'dialed in'.

    For future reference, I will do a 'fired' and 'unfired' set of marking lines on the dowl and take it to the range as standard equipment. No kicking bolt handle.

    Thanks again, shoot straight.
  16. kfranz

    kfranz Well-Known Member

    That's the reason for the pogo rather than kicking the CH.

    Jordan, I'm curious as to which manual you saw the foot stomp in.
  17. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    What I'm trying to say is, in MY case, that one time, the pogo did not work. Bumping the stock on the deck got the bolt to go back forward, so I could crack the rifle open, but it did not allow me to retract the bolt. Crappy out of spec round maybe? Who knows. It was SA stuff. Never had the problem with Port, but you never see Port anymore.

    Dionne can roll in his grave all he wants, I got my rifle back up and running. A field-expedient solution, and I"ve only needed to do it once. I suppose I could've shipped my rifle off to a gunsmith, but I figured a new charging handle was less expensive than that, had it come to that (it didn't). In any case, I do have a spare. That doesn't mean you want to do that often, though. Not anymore than you'd want to slam your car door every time. As has been shown, it can damage the charging handle.

    A little bit of common sense is required. I didn't slam my foot down with full weight on it, any more than, using the pogo method, should you be slamming the stock on the ground with all of your might. :scrutiny:

    Besides, I"m of the opinion that a FAL is every bit as tough as a Mosin and not half as ugly. So nyah. :neener:
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2006

    ROCKSHUND Well-Known Member

    The FAL stomp is well known among the (former) military users. -FNR.
  19. Thin Black Line

    Thin Black Line Well-Known Member


    A major chamber cleaning has already been mentioned, but another form
    of prevention is to inspect the brass on every cartridge before you load
    your mags and shoot the rounds. Make sure they are not damaged (cracked
    or deformed in some way) or corroded.
  20. MisterPX

    MisterPX Well-Known Member

    Sounds like the brass didn't eject and got rechambered. Don't ask how I know ;) . I always use the Forcible Extration method, grab handle, slam rifle buttstock into ground.

    If the lugs were broken, they probably caused the situation, as a FE will NOT break bolt lugs. Hell, if all the lugs sheared off while in battery, you couldn't get the bolt back without breaking down the rifle.

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