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Need info on 20" pistol, Stevens & co

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by Beaves, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. Beaves

    Beaves New Member

    Inherited recently a 20" tip up pistol along with many cool Indian items All from my grandmother who resided near a Sioux Indian reservation in the early 1910's. It's stamped Stevens & CO Chicopee Falls, Mass PAT SRPT.E.1864. It has another stamp with the number 1673 on the barrel and the same number on the bottom of the wood/metal handle. The barrel is octagonal, with no color. The main metal housing is a probably nickel plated. There is no trigger guard. I know absolutely nothing about firearms, but saw a few items on the internet to get some basic info. Can anyone help in identifying this pistol as to its beginnings and value range. Thanks.
  2. Speedo66

    Speedo66 Well-Known Member

    A Stevens "Bicycle" gun, missing the stock?
  3. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a Stevens "Hunter's Pet" without its shoulder stock. They made a wide range of "pocket rifles" but the Hunter's Pet is the only one Flayderman shows with a barrel as long as 20 inches. About 4000 made from 1872 - 1900.

    Does it look like the one advertised at:
    It did not make the reserve bid or $750 buy it now price and it has the stock.
  4. kilo729

    kilo729 Well-Known Member

    Your grandma lived in India? That must've been cool.
  5. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    Having trouble with your reading comprehension? I don't believe there was a Sioux reservation in India.

    I'll see what I can find when I get home to my books. John
  6. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    Stevens made a lot of that type gun, essentially a tip up pistol with a shoulder stock. When the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934, many owners avoided registration by simply discarding the stock and/or welding up the attaching holes.

    While a 20" barrel gun would have been outside the purview of the act (and still is), with or without a stock, some folks chose not to take chances.

  7. kilo729

    kilo729 Well-Known Member

    John, my post is a comment regarding how it's wrong to call natives "Indians."

    Check your books for that.
  8. Beaves

    Beaves New Member

    Yep. It's a "Hunter's Pet" for sure without the shoulder stock. Very impressed with the feed back, thanks everyone....but where did India come from? Grandma lived in White River, South Dakota next to the Sioux reservation. (However, I could embellish the story a little I suppose). So what source is used to find out this info that only 4000 were made, etc.
  9. Beaves

    Beaves New Member

    Alright, now I got the "India" part. Point well taken.
  10. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    I looked it up in Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms. He set up a numbering system that was widely used, although I don't see it as much now that the Blue Book is taken as gospel. A Hunter's Pet without shoulder stock is a 5H-038, for example.
  11. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    FWIW, Flayderman's and the Blue Book complement each other and any "gun nut" should have both.

  12. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    Yes, I need to get the new edition while Mr Flayderman is still around to collect royalties.
  13. Beaves

    Beaves New Member

    Thanks for the help. Your gentlemen and scholars..
  14. lionel400e

    lionel400e New Member

  15. RonE

    RonE Well-Known Member

    I can remember when I was a kid, we used to put on our cap pistols and play "Cowboys and Natives".

    I once visited the Hoopa "Native" Reservation in Northern California (I think not!)

    Has the BIA been changed to BNA?

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