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negligent discharge

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by GingerGuy, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. GingerGuy

    GingerGuy Well-Known Member

    While I was at the August A. Busch Conservation Gun Range this morning, a guy 4 stations down had a neglegent discharge. First time it has happened while I was at a range. I've never seen a guy pack-up and get out of there so fast.

    He was with his wife and was working on a stovepipe with one in the chamber. His handgun wasn't pointed down range and he had his finger on the trigger while trying to remove the stovepipe and BANG.:what:

    Those .40 S&W rounds will go through wood just fine thank you...for anyone that has been to this range outside of St. Louis, you know they have rangers all around and it's very formal shooting, everything by the book.

    After the guy left with his head down, another guy said, "man, he's lucky" and I said, "No, actually we're lucky". It had to be pretty close for the guy in the booth right next to him....wasn't anyones time this morning...thankfully.
  2. pingpingping

    pingpingping Well-Known Member

  3. Chipperman

    Chipperman Well-Known Member

    Hopefully he learned his lesson and will be safer for it.
  4. DrPerry

    DrPerry Active Member

    There may be four rules but

    1 keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction
    2 keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction
    3 keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction
    4 keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction

    That's how I see's it
  5. Pat-inCO

    Pat-inCO Well-Known Member

    I just hope the range has his name and address. Then makes sure he goes through a gun safety course before he is allowed to shoot there again. A $100 (or more) course at that. Hit them in the wallet and you get their attention.

    As Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does".
  6. nambu1

    nambu1 Well-Known Member

    I was taught by my father and have taught my children, never point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot.
  7. Thernlund

    Thernlund Well-Known Member

    I'll bet that after he had some time to stew over it at home he felt absolutely terrible. The "what if's" begin piling up in your head so fast you can't keep track.

    Things like that will certainly put you off going shooting for awhile, eh?

  8. papajohn

    papajohn Well-Known Member

    Things like that have put me off going to public ranges for twenty years. I spent enough time ducking muzzles at the PD, I don't need it in my free time!

  9. lookn4varmints

    lookn4varmints Well-Known Member

    Geez, he left without offering an apology? I would have been on my face begging for the forgiveness of my idiocy.
  10. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    So wait - His pistol had a stovepipe, but still fired when he pressed the trigger?

    That's a pretty...interesting malfunction.:scrutiny:
  11. nplant

    nplant Well-Known Member

    I'm inferring that he *cleared* the malfunction with finger on the trigger. Who knows how he did it, but in my head, he plucks out the brass from the top, and also starts squeezing his trigger finger at the same time. Once the gun goes back in battery, his finger completes the trigger press, and KA-FLIPPIN-BOOM!
  12. FCFC

    FCFC Has Never Owned a Gun

    Wonder what precisely happened?

  13. Old Grump

    Old Grump Well-Known Member

    Lots of TV sets, coffee tables and walls have been decorated by members of any gunsite you can find and they can't all be blamed on the gun being a semi-automatic. Fool around long enough and some day you will be careless. Happened to me while deer hunting right after I had bragged about never having had a ND. Nobody hurt except my pride. Upset me so bad I had to get out of my car half way home and throw up in a ditch. Don't know what happened to that guy or whether it was a gun problem, lack of training or just a moment of carelessness but it happens.
  14. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    To err is human. That's why there are four rules, not just one. Hope he learns from his mistake.
  15. Technosavant

    Technosavant Well-Known Member

    That's where I normally go to shoot. Hopefully that idiot won't be there the next time I go. The range officers there tend to be pretty strict (I know many folks don't like that), but the fact is that there are plenty of extremely irresponsible people with guns and they use the same facilities as the responsible ones.

    When I was teaching my sisters to shoot, each time there was some moron like this there- they didn't have a ND, but they were constantly getting corrected for rules violations. As I said to my sisters, "Don't be that person."
  16. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Well-Known Member

    Need to get that mentality out of gun owners heads.

    Its used as an excuse to rationalize bad habits, behaviour and just plain stupidity.
  17. jonmerritt

    jonmerritt Member.

    To err is human, but to err with a loaded gun is a moment of idiocy. Followed be several moments of crapping in your pants.
  18. Eric F

    Eric F Well-Known Member

    Negligent discharge? how do we really know?

    Just because the muzzle is pointed in the wrong direction does not make it a negligent"discharge". Its unsafe and negligent for sure but the discharge could have been accidental due to mechanical failure. Maybe the gun doubled and caused the stovepipe. Maybe the fireing pin was jamed at to where it hit the primer when he cleared the stove pipe.

    I really do dislike all this finger pointing and calling of negligencewith out hard facts. There can always be a acidental discharge with negligence. For example you chamber a round and due to mechanical failure gun goes bang(ad). Bullet leaves gun goes through floor and hits neighbor in down stairs apartment(with negligence).

    Do we really know what actually hapened in the op or are we all going on assumption?
  19. DrLaw

    DrLaw Well-Known Member

    I saw a guy have three cartridges stuck in the chamber area at one time. He was wiggling the gun all over the place to try to get the mess undone. I sent him packing off the range, the people in the outer area sent him back in! :what:

    Same guy had a nasty habit of starting to aim by raising his gun above his head, slowly bringing it down, WITH his finger in the trigger guard.

    Now that guy was scary AND dangerous. Not using our range anymore.

    The Doc is out now. :cool:
  20. ColinthePilot

    ColinthePilot Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I understand how this was a negligent discharge. I just dry fired my pistol (pointed in a safe direction, of course). I started by locking the slide back, pulled the trigger, then released the slide with my finger on the trigger. the hammer didn't drop until i let the trigger reset and pulled again. This sounds like AD due to mechanical failure and pointed in a bad direction. Also, what direction was it pointed? was it aimed at people, or at the bench? Need more facts.

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