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New 9mm Purchase Concerns/Issues

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by teesee, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. teesee

    teesee New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Hello there THR folks ... first post here.

    I've never owned a handgun. I've shot and handled a few things recently as I am considering a polymer 9mm of some description for a range gun only. I do still prefer a service pistol design however.

    I've taken a few .40s out, and didn't enjoy them, so 9mm it is for me. I am not about to pay to feed a .45 for paper. Here's an idea of what I've got on the list and what I see as gotchas which each, but maybe I'm wrong on a few things, and you folks could shed some light ...

    G17: Does not naturally point for me, that I know. However, if I actually take one out as a total beginner, I'm already seeing 2" groups on a good day at 10 yards during slow fire, and that's been on two different G17s. Is it possible that someone shoots okay with a gun that isn't a perfect grip angle and fit? What I like about the G17 is the service/parts/support and the sense I have that it will stay reliable long term. It's also everywhere, so why not learn it inside out. Don't like the trigger a lot, yet when I'm out with one, I do okay. What gives?

    SP2009/SP2022: I actually have a weakness for DA/SA but I have not fired this particular gun yet. Now that said, it fits perfectly in my hand. Just, 100% bang-on with controls where they should be, everything works like it should. My concern here is the obvious move to the P250 and the likelihood of parts/support etc. long term since this gun won't be around much longer from what I gather. Cheap factory mags are a plus, right now, but that's not quite enough to sway me alone given the long term concern. I don't like that the SPs lack a traditional SIG takedown lever, but the ergos are top-notch for me on these things. My experience with an older P229 suggests that I do shoot well and enjoy the SIG controls/trigger. Any thoughts?

    USP: This isn't here for any HK mall ninja reasons, but more because the USP can offer DA/SA and has a grip angle that works for me, and feels very, very solid in the hand, so it's on the list. Mag release bugs me but I'd adjust in a while I suspect. What concerns me here is the "you suck, and we hate you" thing where people have to hound HK for even the most trivial parts. I don't want something I can't keep in top condition. Other concern is that this is pretty large chunk for a 9x19 range gun, and I don't want to go to a compact.

    PX4: Gorgeous and slick, points very naturally and easily for me. Fits well and can offer DA/SA goodness. But that rotating barrel just is not inspiring that reliable no-questions sort of thing the G17 is. Am I wrong on this? Something about it is putting me off. Otherwise, really nice, thought I have not fired one yet. I also hear you basically need new sights for them, which isn't great. What I don't know is if the service/support thing is there with Beretta, any opinions? Not sure about accuracy here either, and the sight radius is pretty grim when compared to the G17.

    Any input welcome here!

    As for why a few obvious picks are missing from the list: I've shot the M&P, and absolutely nothing about that gun worked for me. I've also picked up a few XDs but just didn't get that big warm and fuzzy over the G17 that some seem to experience. Will shoot one soon to be sure, though.

    Any opinions and comments highly appreciated. Apologies in advance for any beginner/n00b misuse or confusion of terms. This is a great forum.
  2. C-grunt

    C-grunt Senior Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    Phoenix Az
    Any of those guns would be a good choice. I dont think you have to worry about the reliability of the Px4. Beretta has been using that system for years with little complaints that I have ever heard. I had a Stoeger 9mm (same gun as Beretta Cougar, by different company) and never had any problems with it.

    Why does it have to be polymer? You said you do well with a Sig so Id say you answered your own question.
  3. teesee

    teesee New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    I suppose it doesn't have to be polymer, but that's what I have found I'm gravitating to for the most part. I do have warm feelings for the P226 and 92FS in terms of metal, the 92 fits really well actually but as witht he PX4 it still comes back to Beretta service/support ... anyone have to deal with them lately?
  4. CPshooter

    CPshooter Participating Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    For what it's worth the rotating barrel system on the Beretta is supposed to be super reliable just by design. Don't know why, but I hear it's very reliable and reduces felt recoil. I have no experience with Berettas though.

    I have to endorse the USP Compact. I have owned so many Glocks and in the end I found that H&K offers a higher quality product that shoots better in my hands. I sold every Glock I own and the only polymer service pistols I have left are H&Ks (a USP .40 Compact V1 being one of them). I have experienced complete and utter reliability from my H&Ks. Although I wish I could say the same for the Glocks, I'd be lieing if I did. Of course, there are thousands of people that trust their lives to a Glock, and for a good reason too.

    The USP Compact is just a great gun overall. I shoot mine VERY accurately without even trying. As far as getting parts goes, H&K's customer service has been top notch for me. I actually called them yesterday to order 2 springs so I can lighten up the LEM trigger pull on my P2000sk 9mm. They were helpful, took my information, and told me it would be shipped out in 1 or 2 days. Getting parts for an H&K is not hard at all. You probably won't need to anyhow.

    Sigs are great guns too, but have never put down the money to own one. If you go the Sig route, stay with the all-metal P-series guns. I have heard that quality control has been suffering with them lately, but that's probably mostly internet rumors.

    I've owned 2 XDs as well. Great guns at a great price. Mine never gave me any problems, but I think they are a bit heavy/bulky for polymer handguns.

    I don't like M&Ps. Nothing is appealing about them to my hands and eyes. Their trigger system isn't exactly the safest out there. I won't comment on performance/reliability because I've never owned one, but I know for a fact that I'm not missing out on anything.

    In the end, I say go with the H&K USPc or a P2000. I have them both and won't ever get rid of them.
  5. chupacabrah

    chupacabrah Active Member

    Feb 13, 2008
    I currently own a glock....has been very reliable, and the grip angle never was right for me. but after about the second time shooting it, i can get tight groups at 10-15 yards.

    I did have an M&P...this was a great pistol, and was super reliable after a breakin period (50-100 rounds). the only problem I had during that time was a failure to return to battery. I only sold it because I did not want a fullsize.

    My wife is getting an XDsc. a little heavier/bigger than the glock, but they're great guns also.

    It's hard to go wrong as long as you choose a quality product
  6. Wonder9

    Wonder9 New Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Powell, OH
    I too have a weakness for a DA/SA operating pistol ...I've been a Sig fan for years (P220, P225, & P228). Having said that, I shoot my Glock (G26) so well I'd be a fool to let any other gun be in my hand when my life depended on it. I digress, you did say you wanted a range gun not a carry piece but that could very well be your progression in the future.

    Let me muddy your waters even more by suggesting CZ. They have a great following and everyone seems to rave about there DA/SA pistols.
  7. 23Glock

    23Glock New Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Most people I've talked to who are "Glock people" hated them when they first started, me included. They require getting used to, but once you do, you'll never look back. If you shoot well with it, that says a LOT. A gun fitting your hand is an important aspect of the selection process, but by all means not the most important, or only apsect. Case in point: The Sig P250. Fit my hand like a glove. The closest thing I've ever experienced to an "extension of my hand". I was in love the moment I held it. It was beautiful, graceful, young, vibrant. But like most centerfold models, lots to look at on the outside...had nothing going for it on the inside. Weapon is a piece of garbage - biggest purchase mistake ever. I felt like I cheated on my ugly wife-of-a-Glock with some flashy, young babe... Went crawling back to the Glock with my tail between my legs... She took me back, thankfully.
    I'm down on Sig because of the P250, but I can't argue with those who like their classic line. Solid, proven.
    Also, as CPshooter said, don't discount the Springfield XD line. I find they're like a more "user friendly" Glock. Similar design and reliability, but with a slightly better grip design. Also, since you seem to be looking at full size frames, you really should take a look at the XDm in 9mm. There's another one that fit me almost perfectly, but I don't own/carry a full size.
  8. G.R.

    G.R. New Member

    Feb 25, 2008
    I was a big Beretta fan untill I tried and purchased a CZ75

    Another CZ is in my future

    Make sure you give them a look
  9. benderx4

    benderx4 Participating Member

    May 4, 2008
    Orlando, FL
    Buy any of the following guns and you will be a HAPPY man!

    1. HK USP9
    2. Beretta 92FS
    3. CZ 75B (or variant)

    Good luck and happy shooting!
  10. SomeDude

    SomeDude New Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    St. Louis Metro
    Try the SR9. I've put over 2000 rounds through mine with no problems. Of course someone on here will bemoan the pistol but it has served me (and countless others) well.
  11. broken

    broken Member

    Jun 14, 2008

    im a s@w kinda man but the sr9 feels great in the paw,but dang their pricey still,429.00,even p89/95/94 price is up quite a bit around here.well i guess everything is.good luck my friend purchased a new taurus 24/7 stainless for 359.00,i thought he stole it.
  12. Jed Carter

    Jed Carter Participating Member

    Oct 19, 2008
    I would buy the Glock 17 with extra, like 6 extra mags and spend the $400difference between it and the H&K on ammunition, holster, mag holders and a gunbelt. Maybe shoot IDPA or USPSA and really enjoy your new pistol.
    If I had to rate your choices it would be H&K, SIG, Glock and the Beretta I'm not familiar with, but I might suggest the Walther P99 as an alternate. Please let us know what you decide, and as always we all like photos.

    PS; The pointing issue on Glocks may be more of a hand hold issue. Since I changed my two hand grip at the prompting of an instructor it points perfectly.
  13. .357 magnum

    .357 magnum Active Member

    Jul 20, 2006
    Omaha, NE
    Welcome teesee! The New XD-M is the Answer!

    I never liked the Regular Springfield XD Grip and how Blockey the Gun felt-Not Balanced -Top Heavy. I owned three Springfield .45's at one point in time, but have sold all of them. The New XD-M however is a Totally different Gun in terms of the Ergonomics and Some Functionality. I was so Impressed I bought a Second 9mm only three weeks after I bought the first one. You throw in the 19rd Mag's, a Great Trigger and Excellent Accuracy, it has been an Awesome Package. A real combat 9mm:evil: Go give one a try, you will Never look Back!:)

    The Best to You and Yours!

    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
  14. searcher451

    searcher451 Senior Member

    Jun 15, 2007
    Buy the gun that works best for you, not that gun that some stranger, well-meaning or otherwise, recommends on a gun board. Rent 'em, borrow 'em, ask the guy at the range next to you, it doesn't matter ... but experiment until you discover the perfect fit. Then buy it.
  15. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Elder

    Jan 19, 2006
    Happy Valley, UT
  16. modifiedbrowning

    modifiedbrowning Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Bozeman, MT
    If you like the feel of the Sig checkout the FNP-9.
  17. teesee

    teesee New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Searcher, definitely trying to do just that. Just trying to figure out if I'm right or wrong about some of the customer service concerns I have about certain makes and if your shooting matters more than just what a certain grip angle or feel is like in your hand at the shop. Definitely trying to get what works for me.

    Thanks to the person who mentioned that the XDm really felt different/better to them, that's something I didn't know and will check out.
  18. psyopspec

    psyopspec Senior Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Cape Cod
    You've rounded it out to a good list. I've never dealt with Beretta customer service - guess mine worked too well. For the brief time I owned a PX4, I didn't really warm up to it but it was perfectly reliable.

    I know you've already got a lot on your plate, but the P2000 by HK may be another pistol to consider. DA/SA, 13+1 in 9mm, changeable backstraps to fit to your hand, and polymer. I love mine, lots of mileage on it with never a problem.
  19. distra

    distra Participating Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    If you can try a CZ 75B or D, I think you will be quite impressed. Same for a Hi-power. These are just as good as a quality and reliability as your previously mentioned 9mm's. Give these a try before committing to the G17.
  20. ajoker31

    ajoker31 New Member

    Feb 21, 2006
    Ahhhhh yes....we all started out with that "just a range gun mentality." Welcome to the life of a gun enthusiast! All your choices are very good ones. I've owned all the manufacturers you've mentioned and they're all great.

    If you live in a state in which concealed carry may be an option later I'd suggest the idea of buying something that could fit both requirements (especially if money is tight). My house gun and carry gun are both glocks, not pretty but completely reliable with no funky safeties to mess with. I have a few different pistols that I play with for targets and tight accuracy.

    I'd probably go with a glock 19.....that way you would have something small enough for carry but also put a grip extension and G17 magazine in it and have a full size for home and range. Go with what works best for you though and enjoy!


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