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New AZ Poll--Should teachers carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jaws48, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. Jaws48

    Jaws48 Member

    Please hit the poll asking if AZ teachers should be allowed to carry in the classroom...poll question is near bottom center of the web site.

    Thanks. Recommend copy and paste into browser.

  2. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

    A co workers wife called him last night about this question. He and she were freaked out by the whole idea, until I explained how well it DOES work in some areas, and how it should be utilized. he looked very thoughtful, and said he would discuss it with his wife later last night.
    I await this bills' introduction. However, our Governor, a lifelong Democrat, affirmed Obama supporter, as well as a former teacher, will nuke this one even if it passes both sides.
  3. jrfoxx

    jrfoxx Well-Known Member

    Do you think Valley teachers should be allowed to carry guns at school for their own safety?
    Choice Votes Percentage of 438 Votes
    Yes 234 53%
    No 196 45%
    I don't know. 8 2%
  4. romma

    romma Well-Known Member

    Man, you would think AZ would be more for it!
  5. -terry

    -terry Well-Known Member

    54% Yes
    44% No
  6. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    AZ is populated by a lot of CA transplants, and its pro gun sentiment will be reduced as time goes on.
    It is also populated by a lot of hispanics which tend to support democrats, and democrat candidates more often than not lean towards gun control and restrictions. In the long term that leads to less support of gun ownership overall because it is no longer just a normal thing, but a heavily restricted/demonized object.

    Most of AZ population growth is from those two demographics.

    That said there is a big difference between "Should teachers carry" as the title of the thread implies and "should be allowed to carry". One sounds like a new job requirement, and the other an option for those choosing to do so.
    I support the option, but not mandated carrying.
  7. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    it doesn't help that polls like these are usually worded in such a way that it almost reads like all adults entering a school will now be carrying. really the percentage of adults who would carry in would be no higher than the previous number of adiults who carry in public.
  8. sixgunner455

    sixgunner455 Well-Known Member

    Nobody in AZ is allowed to carry at schools except police officers. Teachers/Parents/Principals/kids -- everyone is at the "mercy" of the psychos. I like AZ a lot, but this is one of the carry issues that bugs me. If the teachers were allowed to, that would require a major change to the laws, and would probably include allowing anybody w/a permit to carry there. I would support that change.
  9. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    That is the problem with the question in polls and in the media most of the time. They make it sound like all teachers, or all college students or all citizens would suddenly be carrying. The reality is only those who already do would be carrying which is a very small percentage of the population.

    If people realized the same people that currently carry in the movie theatre and the restraunts they eat in would simply also be allowed to carry in other places it wouldn't sound like sucha big deal.
    That however makes a poor soundbyte. Polls or news announcments that sound extreme peak people's interests. People are attracted to drama and the media creates drama to gain ratings rather than report accurate facts.

    It is like when they try to pass legislation to carry in colleges which I have seen a few of since Cho. They either make it sound like suddenly all students would carry, or all students over 21 would carry. By the time they get into the details people have already arrived at thier emotional reaction/decision to the thought of suddenly everyone carrying.

    The same happens with teachers. They think they are deciding whether every single teacher will be walking around armed, and don't realize it would just add a few armed people to a campus who could defend thier children if necessary, and not turn all teachers into law enforcement.
  10. sacp81170a

    sacp81170a Well-Known Member

    Went to www.vpc.org , pasted in the link to the poll, then went and voted yes. Should look interesting their site admin. :evil:
  11. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    Scouting for and motivating the VPC Brady bunch etc by teasing them is probably not the best way to win hearts and minds. You are not going to change thier minds.

    In fact it would be better if they thought more people believed exactly as they do because then they would slip up and make more extreme statments. Knowing many sorta, kinda, support firearm rights just makes them focus on being more subtle in thier efforts tricking more people by sounding mainstream.

    You want to let them make statements like:


    Let them think lots of people feel the way they do, don't show them they need to be more subtle.
    Or as Napoleon put it:
    “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”
  12. grimjaw

    grimjaw Well-Known Member

    Considering that in some areas, the classes are more like prisons (to include hardened criminals), I'm a little leery, but I think it should be allowed.

  13. Quiet

    Quiet Well-Known Member


    Yes = 402 / 55%
    No = 321 / 44%
    I don't know = 12 / 2%
  14. RKBABob

    RKBABob Well-Known Member

    Yes - 413, 54%
    No - 333, 44%
    What was the question? - 12, 2%
  15. GBExpat

    GBExpat Well-Known Member

    Link C&Ped and Poll HIT ...
  16. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Well-Known Member

    It sure works in Israel. Israeli teachers have been armed since the massacre of school children at Ma'alot, decades ago.

    Personally, I think if the state requires us to turn our children over to the teachers, we have a right to expect the teachers to protect and defend our children as vigorously as we would, ourselves.
  17. HarryB

    HarryB Well-Known Member

    Not a chance of our governor signing it. The Legislature sent her a bill allowing legal CCW in restaurants that serve alcohol. She vetoed it. She'll do it again.

    Even if it did pass, I would expect most districts to forbid it.

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