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New federal shooting ranges

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ErikO, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. ErikO

    ErikO Well-Known Member

  2. Dimis

    Dimis Well-Known Member

    oh boy... more restrictive rules than the state ranges
  3. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    Well, at least I got a nifty pic of Uncle Sam sporting twin revolvers as a desktop backgroud.
  4. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

    Yes, I would have to wonder how the Forest Service would handle this one. They'd need to hire more range managers and range safety officers, for one. But we are strapped deep in debt now, where does the money for this one come from?
  5. ErikO

    ErikO Well-Known Member

    As far as workforce goes, I know a few bored Land Management guys who are already certified NRA trainers who would more than likely be tapped to be less bored range types.

    I'm personally all for taking the tax money from corporations that maintain their own 'air forces' like Kellogg's, McDonnalds, etc and use that money to cover the losses from increased exporation of labor. Or else spend part of the War on Terrorism/War on Drugs money to fund the ranges. That would be fine as well.
  6. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    ive always believed the Govt. should encourage more marksmanship training.......

    ...and who says democrats are anti-gun.
  7. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    The other big change could be changes in allowing people to shoot outside of those ranges. Requiring those not hunting to use said formal ranges for target shooting instead of elsewhere in the forest.

    In Southern California we had dozens of free National Forest ranges.
    Most of them have been closed in the last 10 years, and some counties have 0 now.
    Many of the closures are politically motivated.
    Many have closed down shooting completely, except for limited rounds while legally hunting or at a privately operated gun range.

    The condition of many informal public ranges has taken a serious toll in the last 10 years, and has helped close them.
    Too many people treat them as land fills, and it costs a lot of time and effort to clean up literally many tons of garbage annually. The worst trash is old electronics, leaving pieces of glass, shards of metal, plastic, and toxic components everywhere.
    Second worst would be appliances and other things that take effort and a truck to remove.
    Yet shooters would fill ranges with them.
    Complete slobs.
    If you think the shooting community is filled with good people a visit to such places can quickly set you straight when you see what they do when left to govern themselves.

    Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego counties have all closed their free public shooting, and and generally outlawed informal shooting outside of private pay to play ranges in the counties. Just 5-10 years ago there was many free remote outdoor places to go.
    Riverside County is currently moving towards the same result.
    That is half the population of the state in those counties.

    Formal ranges are relatively boring, making holes in paper gets old quick.
    I don't even enjoy such shooting, it is not recreation, it is just making sure the gun works and your proficiency is decent. Oh joy the gun went boom and the 2 dimensional target has a hole.
    A manned range would be the same thing, and I don't see them paying some rangers to staff them full time.
    I miss all the free ranges that existed just a short time ago.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2011
  8. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    This is not something that the federal government needs to be involved it. It could be the tip of a very dangerous wedge because it might get to the point that eventually the only place you can legally shoot is a sanctioned government range. They might even require you to leave your guns locked up there too. (for safe keeping)
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2011
  9. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    that is EXTREMELY paranoid....

    so does the same thing apply to federal parks......soon the only place you can go camping, hiking , sightseeing, anything outside...is in a federal park.....?

    i have a feeling people would complain if the govt. started handing out rifles for free.........coming up with theories that soon they would pass a law only allowing people to have govt. issued rifles.
  10. O C

    O C Well-Known Member

    Sen Mark Udall's bill

    Udall’s bill would:
    • Increase the amount of money states can contribute from their allotted Pittman-Robertson funds to 90 percent of the cost to improve or construct a public target range from the current limit of 75 percent. This would reduce local and state matching requirements from 25 percent to 10 percent.

    • Allow the Pittman-Robertson funds allotted to a state to remain available and accrue for five fiscal years for use in acquiring land for, expanding, or constructing a public target range on federal or non-federal land. Under current law, states must use these funds within one year.

    • Limit the legal liability exposure to the federal land management agencies regarding the management and use of federal land for target practice or marksmanship training.

    • Encourage the federal land management agencies to cooperate with state and local authorities to maintain target ranges on federal land so as to encourage their continued use.

    This is an excerpt from legislation proposed by Sen Udall (D-CO). The monies are already being collected, but will have greater numbers for shooting ranges . As I understand, the Feds can allocate land for ranges and the State has to spend the money that comes out of the excise tax on sporting goods. Color me skeptical, but, you never know...
  11. Apocalypse-Now

    Apocalypse-Now Well-Known Member

  12. O C

    O C Well-Known Member

    If I'm reading the proposal right, the funds are already there. Of course we pay it in the form of excise taxes, but how they are applied is the thrust of the bill. Currently States have to come up with a greater share of the funds ( from the Pittman-Robertson Funds), also the states would have 3 years to develop the range instead of 1. The most important provision is the limited liability part. That is what kills a lot of projects. I hope this passes and states build more ranges. The money is already being collected.
  13. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    that is EXTREMELY paranoid....

    But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:
  14. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Well-Known Member

    Either your young or have lived a sheltered life, but the less government always the better.
    Marksmanship should be encouraged by the populace and would be more if it were not for all types of laws, rules and regulations passed by government to regulate the people where firearms and ammunition is concerned.

    There is always a hidden agenda when it comes to politicians, especially when it comes to Democrats and seemingly progun legislation. To not sit back and rub your hand on your chin and think now what are they up to, is just foolish.
  15. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    This is a good bill with intentions of giving more gun owners more opportunity to enjoy the shooting sports at a safe and appropriate environment.

    .......legitimate firearm/shooting sports organizations see no hidden agenda for gun control, no conspiracy for locking up our guns, only increased opportunities for shooting enthusiasts. I tend to agree with intelligent folks in the know with access to the facts and tend to shy away from folks wearin' tin foil hats.
  16. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    or maybe its the fact that i dont live in a tinfoil bomb shelter believing everything done by the Govt. is a conspiracy to get my guns.....

    and just because someone had a (D) in front of their name, it means they must be anti-gun, freedom hating, war mongers.....?

    do a little research on the senators.....they have all voted on pro-gun legislation in the past, many of them are life long shooters........and one of them is even A+ rated by the NRA.......

    ...yeah, its a conspiracy.........better watch out for this under the table attack.......
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2011
  17. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Well, based on what I have seen expressed here, the gov't is darned if they do and darned if they don't. If the gov't closes federal ranges, they are bad. If they want to open federal ranges, they are bad.

    So you are saying that the government ranges are the same things as the private clubs? That isn't the same at all.

    Here is your proof from the 11 year old article...
    Sorry, but this is factually incorrect. Handguns are highly regulated as such, but this doesn't apply equally across all classes of firearms. GB does have Draconian gun laws, no doubt, but your proof misrepresents the facts.

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