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New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide

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  1. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Mentor

    Sep 26, 2006
    all over Virginia
    See http://www.geocities.com/rkba2da/vcdl20070903.pdf

    3. New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide
    Member A.L. Soots relays his experience at the Fairlawn Wal-Mart:
    Mr. Van Cleave,
    About a month ago, a relative of mine was in the Wal-Mart in
    Fairlawn. He was doing some shopping while open carrying his weapon.
    After being in the store for a little while, he was confronted by the
    assistant store manager, Jim Hancock, who told him that he was
    breaking the law by carrying his firearm, and asked him to remove it
    in the store and let him take it. When my relative said no, the
    manager told him that he could either go with him to the office and
    "straighten this out" or be prosecuted.
    He said, "OK," not knowing what he was going to be prosecuted for.
    When they got to the back of the store, the assistant manager then
    called the Pulaski Sheriff's Department and put the deputy on speaker
    phone and asked what my relative could be charged with. When the
    deputy told him that there was no law being broken, he then hung up
    and started telling my relative that "things were going to change
    when the next president was elected...and people like my relative
    were going to lose their rights to carry weapons."
    When my relative wanted to leave, he was told that he had to write a
    report. After the report was written and signed, he then told him to
    leave the property. There were witnesses to this. After I talked with
    Dave Knight about this, he called and talked with the store manager
    who told him that her store employees would "be educated" and that
    they weren't to bother anyone carrying a weapon in the store.
    Well, last night (August 28, 2007) I was in the same store to
    purchase some ammo for a CCW class that I was teaching. I was in the
    store with a friend of mine. We walked straight from the front door
    to the sporting goods department (open carrying). After standing at
    the counter with no help for a few minutes we were confronted by the
    SAME assistant manager and another employee.
    Mr. Hancock told us that we were not welcome in the store while
    carrying a weapon and he wanted us OFF THE PROPERTY NOW. I asked him
    if this was store policy or his policy. He said it didn't matter, and
    that if we did not leave, we would be charged with trespassing.
    We turned to walk out of the store and Mr. Hancock followed us on our
    heels all the way out. I stopped at one point to ask him why he was
    following us. After we left I made a call to the district supervisor,
    Terry Sartain, and left a message at his office because it was after
    hours. I spoke with Mr. Sartain this morning and he told me that the
    local managers and he were working on a new firearms policy.
    He said that they had cleared it with the home office and the legal
    department and that they were OK to change the policy in his store to
    NO FIREARMS...NO CONCEALED OR OPEN CARRY!! He said that the signs
    were being printed and would be posted in a couple of days.
    The stores affected by this change are Fairlawn, Christiansburg, and
    Salem, with Roanoke stores to follow. So, it looks like Wal-Mart is
    falling. What do we do about this, or is there anything that we can
    (Update: I just spoke with someone at corporate and was told by them
    that the new Wal-Mart corporate policy on firearms is to let district
    managers decide on the firearms policy for their stores. It is in
    their hands and out of corporate.)
    I will let everyone know when the signs get posted (if they get
    posted). There are many different ways we may choose to respond, I
    will let you know what we suggest in a future update.
  2. Geno
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    Geno Elder

    Jun 11, 2005
    What can people expect from a business that obtains over 50% of the product it sells from COMMUNIST China. Now people are seeing why I refuse to do business with WalMart. I will pay more elsewhere to be certain, but I won't be supporting a company that will not permit me to carry even with my permit.
  3. Bilt4Comfort

    Bilt4Comfort New Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    Desert Southwest
    I wouldn't have signed anything for that (blankity blank) manager.
    I doubt seriously that I would have walked anywhere with him for any phone call to the sheriff either.

    I simply would have left not to spend my money there again and sent off a letter/email to their corporate offices telling them they could wave bye bye to my money.
  4. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Senior Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Shortly after Arizona got a shall-issue concealed weapons law passed, our local Wal-Mart posted "no guns allowed" signs. :fire:

    There are a LOT of CCL holders in southeast Arizona... :uhoh:

    The signs were soon changed to allow licensed gun carriers to carry inside the store. Later open carry was accepted too.

    Money counts. If gun owners refuse to buy at posted stores the management will notice sooner or later. In this case a lot of sales were involved - not just guns and ammunition, but everything.

    They noticed sooner rather then later... :evil:
  5. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Elder

    Jul 30, 2006
    Johnson City, TN
    Old Fuff: The message must have gotten to them good, because I've never noticed any Wal-Marts in Phoenix metro being "posted" since I came over in '05.

    Someone must have gotten to the Cabela's in Glendale. When it first opened in Oct. 2006 the sign said "No loaded firearms allowed." It was not meant -- so they said when they changed it -- to apply to a CCW holder's sidearm, just firearms being brought in for sale or trade.

    There is still Costco to persuade, but unfortunately this attitude radiates down from the very top, so it is unlikely to happen. I do my part by not going in there. ;)
  6. SouthpawShootr

    SouthpawShootr Senior Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Chesapeake, VA
    If they want my business, my gun must be considered part of me. I don't open carry so if somebody notices I'm armed, I'm not doing my part. I never go to Wal-mart unless I'm armed. The one I usually frequent is in a good section of town, but it seems the vermin bus in or something. There have been several attacks in the parking lot. Purses & wallets stolen inside the store. All this with an off-duty, uniformed city police officer in the store as security. I think he's for show, I never seem him walking the store. Always up at the front.
  7. OCJ

    OCJ New Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Harford County, MD
    Wouldn't this be theft? And doesn't theft of a handgun carry a pretty hefty penalty?
  8. 748

    748 Member

    Feb 24, 2006
    clovis, NM
    I have a friend in roanoke that would all ways open carry in the wall mart in Roanoke and Pulaski. They never gave him any problems.
    That store manager must be some new jerk off. :fire:
    "I wouldn't have signed anything for that (blankity blank) manager".
    I would have told the manager to kiss my grass.
  9. helpless

    helpless Active Member

    Sep 3, 2006
    Attention Walmart shoppers, this is America.
  10. cassandrasdaddy

    cassandrasdaddy Senior Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    contact em let em know
  11. Spot77

    Spot77 Senior Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Time to contact VCDL. After a week or so I suspect this crap will stop in Virginia.
  12. rkba_net

    rkba_net New Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    "New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide"

    This is just hearsay until someone posts something in WRITING from the WalMart corporate office on this...
  13. 748

    748 Member

    Feb 24, 2006
    clovis, NM
    "Time to contact VCDL"
    I am so joining VCDL when I get home. Junk like this allways gets started around where I live, not out in the western part of VA.
    But all most no one open carrys very much out my way.
  14. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Mentor

    Sep 26, 2006
    all over Virginia
    -----Original Message-----
    From: VCDL President
    Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:10 PM
    Subject: VA-ALERT: Wal-Mart

    A note on Wal-Mart: I am hoping to have a definitive answer shortly
    on their actual policy on guns. It is our belief that the local
    managers are completely wrong in thinking that they have the
    authority to ban guns at the stores they manage.

    I am planning on getting the real story and will let everyone know as
    soon as I have the information so we can put this issue to bed.

    VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
  15. fast200

    fast200 New Member

    Mar 10, 2007

    You guys are late to the game. Haven't you noticed shotguns are disappearing from suburban Wal-Mart stores? In northern VA, I have to go south Fredericksburg just to buy a shotgun!!!

    Wake up people. Wal-mart is turning anti.
  16. 748

    748 Member

    Feb 24, 2006
    clovis, NM
    Last year wall-mart started pulling firearms form 1/3 or 2/3 of their stores.
    Because they claimed that selling guns in those stores didn't make enough money to warrent the shelf space. Thats ok, I under stand $$$ and no one is forcing them to sell guns plus I heard that if you get a bad gun form wall-mart your screwed.
    They filled the gun cases in alot of stores with BB and pelet guns, paint ball guns, AirSoft guns and they still sell ammo.
    The wall-mart in Hampton, VA pulled their firearms late last year. I call the wall mart there Getto-wall-mart. Any one who walks around the parking lot there at night on the weekend with out a gun is asking for it. There is a night club right next door, that dosen't make it any better.
    Wall mart turning anit gun is going to far :cuss: .
  17. alsaqr

    alsaqr Senior Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    South Western, OK
    Stop buying cheap made in China stuff from Wal-Mart. We are subsidizing the Chinese army and paying for our own destruction.
  18. yhtomit

    yhtomit Participating Member

    May 27, 2006
    E. Tennessee

    "Write a report" ... saying what? On what basis? For what purpose? Sounds like he should be writing something, alright, but it's nothing that this emptyheaded manager should *want* him write.

    A Walmart manager, with very few exceptions, is not a block committee leader.

  19. davinci

    davinci Member

    Aug 17, 2007
    Your walmart's district manager's name and contact information can be obtained at customer service. They even have his/her picture and name on the wall.
  20. wheelgunslinger

    wheelgunslinger Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    0 hours west of NC
    Not to derail the thread from Wally World, but Target is doing the same nonsense.
    I had dinner with a young executive who threw a man out of the Mooresville NC store for open carry.
    Her excuse was that "He was scaring other guests with his gun."
    I replied "He wasn't breaking the law."
    "But I have guests to protect."
    "Wasn't he a guest?"
    "Well, he was just really dirty and bad looking."
    "So, you threw him out because he was dirty?"
    "... because he was making other guests uncomfortable..."
    she started getting pretty worked up and loud, and we were sitting in a nice restaurant, so I let it go.

    Target doesn't allow any employee to carry any kind of weapon on the property, including pepper spray. And, they seem to back these kinds of plays by their management.

    Don't shop at Target either.
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