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New IL CCW Law - Chicago PD Directive

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gmark340, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Scimmia

    Scimmia Well-Known Member

    Are you sure you were reading the right bill? HB0183? If so, point me to the section you're referencing. The only places the phrase "substantially similar" appear in the enrolled bill are in reference to non-resident applications and when talking about disqualifying offenses. I cannot find any specific reference to TN at all.
  2. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    I'm With IllinoisCarry.com

    My wife is Valinda Rowe...She is the main organizer of IGOLD. We spent most of the last 3 weeks of session in Springfield working the bill to law. We helped author the previous carry bills including 997.

    I'll try to shed light on any issues I see addressed here.
    First of all, for IL this is a great starting place!
    We are in a anti-gun Democrat controlled Congress with a rabidly anti-gun Governor. Getting a carry bill passed is about like building an Igloo in Hell!

    What we have is a SHALL issue law.

    We have Total preemption on carry and transportation.

    You can FOID transport anywhere in the state as long as you meet the state transport laws...So, you can haul your AR-15 through Chicago just like you do in any other town down state.

    For non-resident folks, we have safe passage which means they can carry loaded in their vehicles. If they wish to carry outside their vehicles, they have to get the $300 Illinois permit...but, at least they aren't subject to felonies in gotcha traffic stops anymore.

    There are no restrictions on carry weapons (magazines, lasers, bayonets...etc) even in home rule communities that prohibit normal cap. magazines.

    The Chicago handgun registration scheme is gone!
    We already see cases of UUW being dropped because of the new law and ruling.

    Is it expensive... yes...for money hungry IL...not so much...We are less than MO.

    Are there a lot of prohibited places? YES! This is where our efforts will go in the future. State and federal parks are carry legal (except playgrounds)...However, even in the prohibited places, you can carry unloaded-enclosed in a case...like on mass transit.

    Bottom line...We were the last state in the union to pass this law...it isn't just because they forgot! It is because we have the most anti-carry state in the union...
    We need to work together to start the wart removal process which also requires removing some politicians!!!!
  3. wildbilll

    wildbilll Well-Known Member

    (e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
    transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
    Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
    vehicle and the non-resident:
    (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
    firearm under federal law;
    (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
    laws of his or her state or territory of residence;
    (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.

    It would appear that a permit from another state is not actually required.
  4. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    It was my understanding that when this was being crafted that you would have to possess what ever makes you legal to carry in your state...So, from Indiana, you would need your permit...Alaska, just need to not be a prohibited person.
  5. wildbilll

    wildbilll Well-Known Member

    I don't know that a permit is required. It seems that there are plenty of states that allow someone to carry a firearm in public, it just needs to be carried in a particular way. Some require a cased unloaded. Some don't really care how it's done. Some require a permit. Some don't allow it period.
    I find it ironic that a IL resident can't carry a loaded firearm inside a car after they have obviously undergone a background check to get the FOID card, yet someone from VT or AK is good to go.
  6. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    In 997, we gave any IL residents with current non-resident permits a year grace period to get the IL permit...this would have eased the rush to get them issued to everyone.

    When we first heard of the pass through legislation, our first complaint was that non-resident folks would be able to carry loaded before residents...

    It went unaddressed in the law.

    Right now, the non-resident carry folks are the only ones that can legally have loaded weapons in their vehicles until the training and application process is set up for IL folks.:banghead:
  7. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    There's no grace period for out of state permits.

    The only mention of out of state permits in the new law (which went effective last week), is NON RESIDENT out of state permit holders may travel through IL with a loaded firearm in their vehicle.

    If they exit the vehicle they must disarm / unload.

    RESIDENTS who have an out of state permit DO NOT GET THIS PRIVILEGE.

    With the exception for through-travel, an out of state permit grants you NO privileges to carry in Illinois, period. Even then, if you get out to pump gas, or take a leak in a rest stop, you are required by law to disarm.
  8. wildbilll

    wildbilll Well-Known Member

    Please take a look at post #43. There is no requirement for a permit. Just a requirement that your home state allow you to publicly carry a firearm.
  9. JFtheGR8

    JFtheGR8 Well-Known Member

    I stand corrected, however, I would not call being able to carry only while in your vehicle reciprocity. It's better than nothing though. It was my belief that the grace period made it into the new law.

    Posted from Thehighroad.org App for Android
  10. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Yup, sorry about the phrasing I made.

    This means someone from California with a Florida non-resident permit can't carry in their vehicle, while someone from Vermont could carry regardless of not having a permit.

    Now, this begs the question; how many IL cops are going to research all other 49 state laws to find out who is eligible to carry, and who is not?

    I feel bad for those Vermont or Arizona people who can't produce a permit to the state trooper that stops them. Very high likelihood they will get arrested and have to go to court to prove they were 'eligible.'
  11. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    Actually, the police officer should be apprised of those few states that don't issue a permit...But, of course, we know not all police will have this knowledge. However, the state police officers I have talked to say they already give a pass to out of staters. I can't say what percentage of police that would "do the right thing" but, I feel it is a majority....But there is always that few that won't do the right thing!!!:fire:
  12. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    Not to worry about this Arizona resident. The Old Fuff has a current Concealed Weapons License. While they are not required, they are available. Folks here that travel often get one because they are recognized by some other states, but I am dumbfounded that Illinois is apparently going to be one of them, at least in the short term.

    Also if they come to visit, non-residents can also get Arizona licenses, but it seems that those won’t be recognized up there.

    Bummer… :banghead:
  13. jawman

    jawman Well-Known Member

    You might want to double check this. Per the Chicago Police Department, the new Firearm Concealed Carry Act as outlined in Department Notice D13-10 prohibits possession of a laser sight, and if you have one, your firearms may be confiscated. If you have a laser sight in your vehicle, your vehicle may be impounded. See E and F under section IV Procedures, http://directives.chicagopolice.org...5603-92613-fc59-b4c8c0aba767ee8c.html?hl=true.
  14. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    I can't address what unlawful acts the city of Chicago may impose on its citizens...all I know is that Illinois State law regulates handguns and accessories. No local government can regulate it.
    What you posted is what Chicago is saying but, it is being challenged...They will lose this fight also. In the meantime, you decide how you want to proceed.
  15. jawman

    jawman Well-Known Member

    But no where does it say that that is 'Chicago only' law. It is stated as Illinois law. The only relation it has to Chicago is that the CPD are the ones who posted the document online. Other than that it is all regarding the state of Illinois. Also, "assault weapon" is also included in that outlaw. Unless you can show me some other document which does not outlaw laser sights, I wouldn't risk having my firearms confiscated or vehicle impounded over a laser sight, because per that document they can definitely do that.

    I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, I just want to get it right and inform others of what the real law is so no one gets in trouble. I know you and your wife have played a big role in following this for a long time and fighting for our rights, and you both have my utmost respect and appreciation.

    Edit: I also am really concerned because I want to print out the laws, read every word and specification, and have a copy with me, a copy at home, a copy in my vehicle, etc. If I'm ever stopped, I can cite the law itself.
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2013
  16. swan hunter

    swan hunter Well-Known Member

    Hey! I personally have no problem with anyone just trying to figure out what is going on in this crazy state. I'm just glad you are asking nicely!:)

    I know of no STATE law that prohibits laser sights...It is in the Chicago ordinance....
  17. Elm Creek Smith

    Elm Creek Smith Well-Known Member

    My revolvers and I'll stay in my car or truck if I ever have to drive through Illinois. If I need gas, my wife knows how to run a pump! :what::D

  18. garymc

    garymc Well-Known Member

    It will be a relief to be able to drive from St. Louis to Michigan without being paranoid about having a gun in the car or having to render it useless. But they are still keeping people from stopping overnight and paying their motel taxes.
  19. Officers'Wife

    Officers'Wife Well-Known Member

    My neighbor's new laws are far from perfect, or for that matter acceptable. But, they are a very good start into dragging the state of Illinois in line with the rest of the United States. Hopefully, these statutes will be improved on as time goes by. My compliments to those in that state that have worked so long and so hard against impossible odds.

    Let the record reflect I still maintain that Indiana is a long way from heaven and far too close to Chicago but I'm far more comfortable being a mere 22 miles from Beaverville.
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2013
  20. Officers'Wife

    Officers'Wife Well-Known Member

    Try hard to make it to Jasper County Indiana to have the nozzle removed. I'll leave a call on dibs to be the surgical nurse for the procedure. :neener:

    Keep in mind that now that random Illinois thugs are no longer assured of unarmed victims they will be less likely to random acts of violence. Your long suffering wife is another story.

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