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new Marlins still ok?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by klover, Nov 30, 2006.

  1. klover

    klover Well-Known Member

    Went to Big Five looking at the lever .44's. One had a wire tie on the lever. I cut it off and it would cycle about 30% of the time. Sometimes after rotating and shaking the rifle, it would cycle stiffly. Something sounded loose inside.

    Should I look for an older one on the auctions?
  2. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Sounds like someone might be passing of used as new maybe?
    Or just flat broken? The larger stores don't usually check merchandise before putting it out for sale like a smaller store might.

    I just bought an 1895GS in 45-70 and it functions flawlessly and I'm very pleased with the rifle and quality of build for the price.
  3. Ranger J

    Ranger J Well-Known Member

    When I recently purchased my Marlin 1895 45/70 I took along two dummy (no primer or powder) and ask if I could cycle them through the gun. Both the 300G HP and the 400G SP cycled perfectly so I got the gun. If they won’t let you do this or rounds won’t cycle look elsewhere. The vast majority of Marlins are good guns.
  4. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    Sounds like somebody in Marlin's QC department was having a sip of coffee when that one went down the line. :D :D

    If it is a new one, that is very rare for a Marlin right out of the box to have an issue like that. Could be a used rifle disguised as new.
  5. bclark1

    bclark1 member

    Bought my 1895G last summer, everything's peachy with it, new ones are good as ever.
  6. Jackal

    Jackal Well-Known Member

    The problem is Big 5. I had quite the fiasco about a year ago with them. The first was a Winchester 94 .357 that had crookedly drilled scope mount holes. I exchanged it for a Marlin .357. Got the Marlin home and discovered that it would not cycle any ammo properly without a vigorous shaking of the rifle. The rounds would always tilt up at the rear as they went into the chamber and jam the action. Guess what. I returned that Marlin too. I then asked to try the other Marlin they had on the shelf and I opened the action. Well, by now I wasnt surprised by the fact that niether I, nor the flunky behind the counter could actually close the lever. It was totally stuck in the open position.

    Do yourself a favor and spend the extra $$ for a Marlin from a decent seller. Even Wal-Mart is a better place to buy rifles. I for one will never buy another gun from Big 5.
  7. dracphelan

    dracphelan Well-Known Member

    I bought one (357 1894) a couple of months ago and have had no problems.
  8. Shear_stress

    Shear_stress Well-Known Member

    Same here.
  9. cslinger

    cslinger Well-Known Member

    I have a newer 39 .22 and a new 1894 in .357 and both are perfect. They cycle anything, are very smooth, tight, good wood, nice blueing. I have no complaints with either. Sounds like that gun was either a lemon, old or broken from demoing somehow.

  10. High Planes Drifter

    High Planes Drifter Well-Known Member

    I really dont think its as much a quality control problem on behalf of Marlin as it is Big 5 trying to rip someone off.:scrutiny:
  11. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    So, I'm a little confused here.

    For those alleging that Big 5 is selling faulty Marlins (and perhaps guns from other makers), are you suggesting that:

    1) Marlin and other makers are deliberately distributing their rejects to Big 5?


    2) Big 5 (or some of their employees) are deliberately damaging decent rifles in an effort to hurt their customers?

    What would either have to gain by this?

    Why would faulty guns even get off past Marlin's QC, all of which wind up at Big 5 (faultly lot?), or if they were known to be faulty, why would Marlin sell them to Big 5?

    Or if Big 5 gets good guns from Marlin, what would they gain by screwing up those good guns?

    Something just doesn't add up in this for me.
  12. High Planes Drifter

    High Planes Drifter Well-Known Member

    Its possible damaged-in-shipment guns are not being refused by Big 5 and simply being put on the shelves. I own a repair/sales store; I can tell you that when merchandise arrives to me damaged, it is a pain in the arse to sort things out. The shipper blames it on the sender saying it wasnt packed properly, the sender(in this case Marlin) blames it on the shipper, and the retailer(in this case Big 5) still has to pay the sender for the merchandise if they didnt refuse it right when it got there. If the reciever signed off on the shipment without inspecting it thoroughly, as often happens with extremely large shipments, then the stockers find a rifle that was damaged, it is going to be hard for Big 5 to get the frieght company or Marlin to make it right. they've already accepted the shipment. What does Big 5 do? The easiest thing to do. Try to repair it themselves to make it sellable, then let the customer take it up with Marlin after the sale.
  13. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Well-Known Member

    it's called "distribution cycle"

    There could be something about the way BIG 5 is handling or storing their product.

    I can picture a pallet load of marlins getting dumped off the top shelf at the dist. center and then the guns going out to the retail outlets with no inspection. An $8/hr lift operator might not want to rat on himself? And even if he does, the warehouse supervisor may opt to ship the product anyway if everything appears to be o.k.

    In transit damage is often revealed by damage to the packaging......but if the gun is bought off of the display rack.....you might not see the packaging. (I bought a case the same day I made my last purchase and took the gun home in the case.)

    And if you do take it home in the box, that's not necessarily the box the gun shipped in, especially if there were two or more similar models on display.

    I'm not a gun expert by any standard....but I do design industrial packaging for a living and I've been stunned (strong word intentionally chosen) at how bare bones, absolute rock bottom the packaging is on the long guns I've seen NIB. Hot wire cut, expanded poly-styrene foam (EPS), of a lower grade than even the cheapest disposable beer cooler, and a single wall corrugated box made from really crappy recycled material (without a cert. stamp....most likely imported in mass from the third world).

    Were talking about $700 rifles shipping accross the continent (ocean?) in a package that cost less than $2.

    Price pressure to compete with imports is driving U.S. manufacturers to cut every penny of cost possible.

    We've (the company I work for that is) quoted, on several occassions now, the hand gun cases with foam inserts for a U.S. manufacturer with a reputation for the highest quality. It's a big chunk of business, so we go after it very aggresively with reduced margins. Never got the job yet. Next years contract is up for bid again, and I was quite surprised to see that have switched to a lower grade of foam and resorted to some tricks to get buy with a decreased volume of foam. This will cut all of about $0.15 out of the price, but that's what they want.

    Part of any manufacturers quality program should be packaging. Product that rolls of the assembly line immaculate, should IMO be in the same condition when the customer opens the box in their home.

    As American manufactures scramble to keep their doors open....they've been presented with a lot of pressure to "cost down". But part of the "Wal-Mart culture" is the idea that you can return anything at anytime for any reason. If you want to play, those are the rules!

    Here's a little story that illustrates how this affects the products you and I buy today. About three years ago I was speaking with the PRESIDENT of a profitable American manufacturing company (not a maker of firearms, so please don't ask who) about quality problems they were having and some ideas to improve their process. He made this statement.....which I quote verbatim (it made such an impression on me, I'll always remember it).


    Three years later, this company is doing very, very well.

    They can be proud of the money their making.....but not of the product their producing. Sadly, I think it's us, the consumers that have set the stage for this kind of mentality.
  14. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Big 5 has special versions of the 1894, AFAIK. They have uncheckered stained hardwood stocks and I think somewhat rougher finish. These are not listed on the Marlin website, which only shows checkered walnut and polished blue or stainless.

    It is possible that the particular gun you have has a loose or broken internal part or screw; that can happen with any gun. It can "happen to the best of them."

    Marlins in general are excellent, even the 336W, which rated a Best Buy vs. a Winchester 94 Ranger, which rated a Don't Buy in Gun Tests, soon before the demise of Winchester's American plant. Older Winchesters are definitely better, especially the "working gun" versions. Marlins, though, tend to be fine, new or old. The newer ones have nicer wood, generally.

    However, know that a Big 5 Marlin 1894 is a special cheapened version and may not be worth saving a few bucks over the listed walnut and polished gun.
  15. kevin387

    kevin387 Well-Known Member

    I have a 1894 in 357 that I sent back because it would not cycle more than a few 38's without jamming the action open. After I got it back it is still a little rough with some 38's but not nearly as bad. No problems with 357.
  16. JustsayMo

    JustsayMo Well-Known Member

    My Big 5 1894 in 357 worked great with all the 357's I tried. Didn't like 38 swc's though.

    The wood isn't walnut and lacks checkering as mentioned. It was only $350 out the door. My older Marlins and newer Guide Gun have much nicer wood. Still it's a fun little carbine that your wife and kids will shoot all your ammo up with...
  17. Anteater1717

    Anteater1717 Well-Known Member

    i noticed the marlin 1894s at big 5 were lacking chekering too i was unsure what to think of it. just buy from a different company and you will be fine
  18. tubeshooter

    tubeshooter Well-Known Member

    I don't think the buyer can ever conclusively place blame on the retailer, distributor, manufacturer or shipper. You are guessing at best. Some good points have been made here.

    Product history and track record can lean you for/against the manufacturer blame-wise, but even that isn't absolute. As has been stated, "happens with the best of them"... and in fact did with me once with a NIB gun. Said gun was returned and manufacturer made it right, for the record.
  19. ilmonster

    ilmonster Well-Known Member

    I purchased an 1894C yesterday from Cabela's, and put 100 rds. of .38 LRN and .357 LSWC through it today and it ran flawlessly. It has a nicely checkered walnut stock, and fit and finish are nice. SSN VET is right, the box it came in was corregated cardboard with no styrofoam protecting the rifle. I could see how something could get quite banged up if handled improperly. Hopefully, that was a one-off situation.
  20. MyRoad

    MyRoad Well-Known Member

    About three months ago I bought an1894C from a local Big5 having one of their great sales - it was $335. I've only fired about 50 rounds through it, but it seems to work fine.

    My brother went down the next day to buy one, and aparently I bought the last one, so they gave him a rain check. It took 8 weeks for the gun to come in, I went down with him to pick it up, and the lever would not cycle properly. I personally took it brand new out of a sealed box, not off the rack. They acknowledged it didn't work, took it back and ordered him another one (haven't heard from them yet).

    I won't venture to guess whether its Big5 or Marlin, just sharing my experience.

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