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New .mil Carbine Sought

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Langenator, Feb 8, 2006.

  1. Langenator

    Langenator Well-Known Member

    Details from the .mil here.

    Call me paranoid, but I think they're trying to sneak the XM8 back in. The only specs are for reliability, accuracy, and weight. No length, height, width, barrel length, length of pull, collapsable/folding/fixed stock, mag size (or compatibility with current mags).

    SCAR-L, XCR, and Sig 550/551 don't meet the weight standard. XM8 does, as does the M4. But if the M4 is what they want, why ask for prototypes for something new?

    Although I'm sure Senator Dodd wants the Army to buy lots more M4s.
  2. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Sustained rate of fire is 45rpm. I don't think either the M4 or the XM8 can meet that requirement currently. The M4 is 12-15rpm and I don't know what the XM8 is rated for; but with its polymer lower and G36 heritage; I bet it can't get near 20rpm, let alone 45rpm.
  3. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member


    The Picatinney rails and the M203 compatability, make me think it's not the XM8 they are looking for. I am betting that they are looking to get around Colt's sole source award, valid through FY08 and sneak another manufacturer's M4 clone in. Note that this solicitation came after Colt lost round 1 in court to Bushmaster over the M4.

  4. Langenator

    Langenator Well-Known Member

    Or they could be trying to get HK to put standard rails on the XM8 instead of proprietary HK ones. Although someone over at Murdoc Online has pointed out that later carbine test versions of the XM8 are up around 7.5 pounds, same territory as the SCAR-L and XCR.

    One thing I'm curious about WRT the M203: does anyone make a system or adapter that would allow you to bolt a 203 onto any rifle that has rails on the lower part of the handguard?

    Something else I just noticed: I didn't see any requirement that the new carbine accept a bayonet, either the current issue M9 or any new one. Is the Army finally giving up on the Spirit of the Bayonet?
  5. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    It's rumored that Colt has a new gas piston carbine they are calling the M5, it also may open it up to the HK416. I'm not sure either one would make weight though....And there is a rail adapter for the M203 already in the system.


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