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New models or Vintage?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by gmh1013, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. gmh1013

    gmh1013 Well-Known Member

    As I crossed 50 and slowly walk towards 60 years old I find that now days I prefer
    Older vintage Revolvers to anything made today.
    This goes for Cars...rather have a 40 year old C-10 chevy truck v-8 than new
    Music....prefer Vinyl to CD's
    My wallet is 20+years old (because it was made in U.S.A. and not China)
    I refuse to buy a new one.
    Rolex watches....all are out of production that I own and
    As Jay Leno said about cars....unless its 40+years old it just does nothing for me.
    Old Colts were IMHO are a work art..... some of Smiths and Ruger's too.
    But the Colts just have everything that a Revolver should be....and nothing extra.
    The only new Revolver I have bought in the past 10 years is a Ruger SP101 2 inch.
    Real Dan Wesson's.....gone.
    Smith feel cheap to me compare to 20+ years ago.
    And the lack of Colt DA's is enough to make grown man cry.:cuss:
    When I look at stores now....its just sad.
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2010
  2. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    You are right gmh.

    New revolvers suck (as a catagory) unless you want some high tech lightweight styrofoam-like frame.

    No thanks. Real metal and craftsmaship

    As I told a buddy of mine...autos are getting better, revolvers are getting worse. I will buy all the old Smith and Colt revolvers that I can now as they are a diminishing resource. The next auto wondergun is just around the corner.

    Sadly the guys at GT Distributors are raising the prices on their used revolvers. They are 50 bucks high on most everything in the case. New management perhaps. Oh well.
  3. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    I had a shocking experience the other day... :eek:

    Handled a Smith & Wesson that locked up as tight as any Colt hand-ejector I've come across. No perceptable end-shake or rotational movement.

    And the sideplate was so closely fitted that at 3 feet you couldn't make out where the plate touched the frame.

    What was this wonder gun? A .38 top-break made during 1884 or '85. :what:

    According to some guys on this forum, back then the cutting tools were made from chipped flint, :rolleyes: But for fit and finish today's CNC made revolvers couldn't touch it.

    I have notiiced that older guys that have some experience tend to like older handguns, while much less experienced young ones go for the new stuff. I suppose that 50 years from now they'll be telling everyone how great today's plastic & potmetal guns were...

    Fortunately I won't be around to listen. :evil: :D
  4. Low Budget Shooter

    Low Budget Shooter Well-Known Member

    Dear GMH,

    Almost every day I think about getting a Glock or Kel-Tec or something else that holds a bunch of bullets, but my old Smith and Colt revolvers just, they just, they . . . How do you say it?

  5. aka108

    aka108 Well-Known Member

    Old S&W's just keep going. Better fit and finish than new ones.
  6. Save up and treat yourself to a Colt Diamondback in .22. The untimate "Man Gift" for ones self.
  7. S&Wfan

    S&Wfan Well-Known Member

    I dunno . . . I'm in my mid-50s . . . well . . . actually 58 and I just bought a new S&W revolver that's the nicest I've ever had. Other than that . . . my truck is a '76 Jimmy and my camper a '67 Frolic. And, my ATV is a 3-wheeler . . . a 1987 Honda 250es "Big Red."

    I hunt with an early Remington 700LH (BDL variant in left hand) made in '73, and with a 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 from 1969.


    My carry revolver is a '71 S&W Model 37. I still have my honeymoon car in the garage . . . my '66 Mustang V8 2+2 Fastback. BUT . . .

    But my new S&W revolver is something else. Here it is . . . I got it recently!;)

  8. Dave T

    Dave T Well-Known Member

    As can be seen, the problem with this attitude is a great many others share it, making the guns (and cars) we like expensive and hard to find.

  9. Oyeboten

    Oyeboten Well-Known Member

    Hi gmh1013,

    While many very good, fine quality, good fit and finish Arms have been made since say WWII...

    The sweetest to my eye and hand, have always been among those made before WWII, if not even before WWI, or in the 19th Century.

    Long Arms or Hand Gun, either way.

    In my opinion, the apex of our Culture, and, it's capacity for self respect, sense, and aesthetics, pretty well crested it's long peak in Century ending by the nineteen twenties to early 'thirties...and, has been on the wane, since.

    Lincoln left a rusting Knive in it's Kidney...Wilson did likewise...and FDR and International Money Lenders tied a Bag over it's head, and, spun it around...

    Oh well...

    At least we got to live in an era where there was still just enough dribs and attenuated vestiges of good things left laying around, to more or less get by on.
  10. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Well-Known Member

    I love my oldies, but I have a place for modern technology, especially with automobiles. My 4th gen Camaro is faster, quicker and more reliable than any of the 1st gen big block ones I have owned, plus it gets 20+mpg on the open road. The only thing I would consider swapping my C5 for would be a 67 435hp C2. The only 'new' revolvers I own are Rugers and they are not as nice as the older ones.
  11. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    no one is typing on their computer to an internet gun community that there is no place for technology. But as far as revolvers go...nothing new compares unless you ultra lightness is a factor for you. Or giant calibers like 454 Casull and .500 S&W.

    I am just bemoaning how few older revolvers are available around Austin. My pawn shops have little or none, GT Distributors have raised their prices, McBride's is always very high. Where have the they all gone?
  12. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    Maybe so, if fit and finish are one's primary or even sole concerns. Seems to those who've contributed to this thread, that's so, and that's cool.

    That said, fit and finish are only part of the tale. How they shoot matters too. At least it does to me.

    I have old and new revolvers, and, IME, the newer stuff shoots every bit...nay...better...than the old stuff. Neither of my 5-screw 6"ers shoot as accurately as their CNC-produced, lock- and MIM-infested 4" counterparts.

    I love vintage revolvers for their fit and finish and what they represent, but my newer guns are quickly accumulating mileage that the older ones can only envy.
  13. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    your experience is different than mine.

    My daughter's old model 19 is superior to either my current wife's 686 or mine. Better action and more accurate (marginally)

    That said, I am happy with my 686. It is going to get a certain amount of abuse as a trail gun. I would hate to have a great classic gun getting the blue sanded off of it by trail dust.

    So I too have a couple of CNC, MIM revolvers too and they are welcome members of the family (no locks, we do have standards)
  14. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    The greedy Old Fuff has struck!!! :evil:

    Seriously, they are out there, but more and more people that have them aren't selling unless they are financially pressured to do so. I think in some cases it's because people don't trust the government, and in others they are aware that they, "don't make them like they used too," and what you have tends to look good when a new one is priced in the $500 range and up.

    Another indicator is recent ammunition sales. During the Obama Bubble even .38 Special and .380 ACP dried up for awhile.

    As for old vs. new accuracy, especially in S&W products. Recent barrels have very shallow rifling that tended to work O.K, with jacketed bullets, but less so with lead ones. Older barrels with deeper rifling favored lead bullets. Otherwise I don't see where recent changes, such as MIM lockwork, the internal lock, etc. would affect accuracy one way or the other.

    Of course they're is always the possibility that one may get a particularly good or bad gun on an individual basis - old or new.
  15. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    Count me in in this club. I have a 1978 Chevy 2x4 pickup, a Camper Special with a 454 and auto, and a 1974 Chevy 2x4 with a 350 4 speed, and both run like new. I love them. I also have a 1969 Shasta Airflyte 16ft trailer as a camper and would not give it up till it won't keep rain off my head, and drive a vintage 1985 BMW M535 Dinan daily. I love old guns, I only have 1911s for autos, and have a Dan Wesson 14-2, a first run GP100, a S&W Airweight from the 60s, a Model 19-2 in 2.5in, and am ALWAYS looking for my next old S&W or COLT revolver. I also love [retty much anything old because the new stuff as a whole just doesn't seem to last, and has the lack of chachter.
  16. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    I did not know that your long arm extended this far. Damn it!!!
  17. Boats

    Boats member

    While I have a Colt DS and a S&W Bodyguard I inherited from my grandfather, I actually like the modular Ruger GP-100 better than any of them. I can just go shoot the hell out of it without worrying about breaking it and I can work on the iron myself without any arcane knowledge from a dead world.

    I think "modern revolvers" only suck hard when they are things like S&Ws that were designed during the old school and are now being cheapened where and whenever possible. The Rugers use a more modern design so that a GP-100 made in 2010 is pretty much identical to the first ones that shipped in 1985.


    It ain't the prettiest, just an enduring mechanical achievement of a different sort.
  18. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    Hey Boats...want to sell those crappy old revolvers?
  19. Hardballing

    Hardballing Active Member

    Count me in on the old wheelie club too but...

    I've come across two lately, while they are pre locks (sorry, just can't do the whole hole in the sideplate thing), they are MIM part "transitionals". One is a 686+ and the other a 625-6 Mountain Gun in .45 acp. BOTH of these can easily keep up with or outshoot my K38 Masterpiece (1952) or my Officers Model Match HB (1938).

    Did try several years ago the 627 Pro from S&W which was a lock gun and while it shot like a champ, I couldn't get over staring at "the hole" on the side. Also didn't find that 8 shot moonclips were nearly as fast as 6 or 7 shot speedloaders, but that may have been that I have lots more trigger time on the latter. The 8 rounders just seemed to "wobble" in the clips and made hitting the chamber hole slower. Just my .02 on those.

    So imo, S&W is churning out some VERY accurate revolvers, but I'll agree that the fit and polish of the older hand ejectors, both pre and post WW2 were to a higher standard. A pre 27, or even 27-2 (or even a model 28), is a mighty purty thing compared to say...a 327 Nightguard. Jes sayin is all.

    Happy Shooting.

  20. Boats

    Boats member

    They're not crappy--just delicate.:D

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