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New to Reloading

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by CPLofMARINES, Feb 3, 2013.


    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    I may be a few months away when I start, when finances
    Open up. But I have a lot of questions, but I am viewing,
    Reading and taking notes. So, please be patient. I have
    Read here that W296 powder is good for .357 Mag but
    Can you also use that for .44 Mag. ? When I start I plan
    To start with .38/.357 then move to .44spl/.44Mag Being
    That is what I shoot the most. Thank you all for your help.

    Semper Fi
  2. Utryme

    Utryme Active Member

    I use H110 for my 44 mag carbines. I'm told 296 is the same powder.
  3. gamestalker

    gamestalker member

    Yes, 296 will work very well for both .357 mag and 44 mag. However, 38 spcl and 44 spcl can not be loaded with it.

    Also know that 296 is a full house magnum powder and can not be reduced below published loads. And it requires a magnum primer to properly light it up. Also, you must use a very firm roll crimp or the bullets will litterally jump out of the case mouths before making it to battery.

    I've been loading almost exclusively with this powder for my magnum wheel guns for many years, and it behaves very consistently and predictably. It also performs best when taken up toward the higher end of the charge table.

  4. Reefinmike

    Reefinmike Well-Known Member

    as utryme said, h110 is the same as win296. just as how hp38 is the same as win231. But yes, 296 is good for a full house hand stinger, but you dont get many loadings out of a pound of powder. I use hp38/win231 for 38 special and it works well for mild 357 loads. I dont load 44 mag but it seems 296/h110 is a preferred powder.
  5. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Well-Known Member

    W296/H110 is kind, but unforgiving

    Thanks for your service to our country. Welcome to loading.

    That (those) powder give the best performance for recoil and pressure of just about any handgun powder, but if you make a mis-step, they are unforgiving.

    What I am saying is that I would not learn to reload using either of those powders.

    As you do your reading, pay attention to the subject of powder "quickness". Also the subjects of detonation, pressure spiking and "ringing". While these subjects are controversial (and some even deny the phenomenon exists) caution is to be observed.

    When I taught my friend to load, I started him using Trail Boss in his 500 S&W Magnum. It is easy to use, to see in the case, results in low-recoil and low-pressure ammunition and lets you get the basics of the bullets, primers, cases, seating, crimping and cross-checking quality control.

    He still uses Trail Boss in addition to Unique, H110 and a couple of other powders. TB is really good for when he wants to let curious onlookers fire off a few rounds of 500 Smith. They can start out with the TB rounds (300 grains at 850 fps) which recoil like a 22 rimfire in that heavy gun. If they like that, they move up to the higher power loads, 350 grains at 1200, and then the 375 grainers over H110 if they like. Only about half do.

    In my opinion, Trail Boss is the ticket for learning.

    Good luck,

    Lost Sheep

    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    What Reefinmike says u don't get many loadings out of a pound.
    About how many?? Because a high volume of powder
    Is used, also would this be a forgiving powder or one
    For an experience reloader ? Thank you

    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    Lost Sheep, I must have been typing while u were. So,
    I have not heard much talk about Trail Boss. Based on what
    I have mentioned what could I load with it?
  8. Hondo 60

    Hondo 60 Well-Known Member

    The best advice anyone can give you is to get atleast 2 or 3 reloading manuals.
    Read them cover to cover atleast twice.

    Then you will know what questions to ask.

    Manuals like Lyman's 49th Reloading Handbook have a GREAT how-to section & tons of load data.

    That data will tell you what bullet, what powder, how much etc, etc.
    By reading one, you'll know what powders are really good for what caliber & what bullet.
    You'll find that some powders are better with jacketed bullets, whereas some are better with lead.

    By the way, w296 is not one of my favorites.
  9. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Well-Known Member

    Have you read "The ABC's of Reloading"? Compiled by editors, it features a variety of writers which affords different points of view and speaks in different "voices". Also, almost every loading manual has, in the early chapters, descriptions of the loading processes. Your base library will likely have copies, or your local city library.

    Does your base have a gun club? I got a lot of use from the Eglin Air Base club when I was stationed at Hurlburt Field. Though I already knew how to load.

    Here are some links to threads you might find interesting

    let me share with you some posts and threads I think you will enjoy. So get a large mug of coffee, tea, hot chocolate, whatever you keep on hand when you read and think and read through these.

    The "sticky" thread at the top of TheHighRoad.com's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Thinking about Reloading; Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST"

    The "sticky" thread at the top of TheFiringLine's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST "

    "Budget Beginning bench you will never outgrow for the novice handloader". This was informed by my recent (July 2010) repopulation of my loading bench. It is what I would have done 35 years ago if I had known then what I know now.

    Thread entitled "Newby needs help."
    My post 11 is entitled "Here's my reloading setup, which I think you might want to model" November 21, 2010)
    My post 13 is "10 Advices for the novice handloader" November 21, 2010)

    The first draft of my "10 Advices..." is on page 2 of this thread, about halfway down.

    Minimalist minimal


    Good luck,

    Lost Sheep

    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    Thank u all for your help. I am sure I'll chime back in for
    Your advice in the future.

    Semper Fi
  11. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    Like said above, W296/H110 is a very good powder for both the .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. It's more suited for full power loads than middle loads and Hodgdon recommends you do not download that powder more than 3% from the Max charge. For the .38 Special and .44 Special I look to the other Winchester powder, W231. W231/HP-38 is much better suited for the Specials and can be safely downloaded to different levels.

    My "Powder Trinity" is W231 (HP-38), W540 (HS-6) and W296 (H110). I load almost everything with those 3 powders and they do very well.

    If you're looking for a Magnum powder that's more flexible 2400 or AA#9 would be good choices but again, for full power loads W296 can't be beat...
  12. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Well-Known Member

    Different powders have different energy densities and different volume densities. A full load of H110 (filling the case to the bottom of the seated bullet) is approximately the full charge. The same thing holds for Trail Boss. But H110 has a lot more energy packed into that volume.

    Trail Boss was developed about 5 or 6 years ago specifically for CASS (Cowboy Action Shooting Sports) which uses lead bullets at black powder pressures and velocities. At first, the maker did not recommend Trail Boss for jacketed bullets, but only for lead. That has since been opened up, but you have to take care not to let velocities fall too low or you could get a jacketed or plated bullet stuck in the bore (and the next shot likely to blow up the gun). But if you keep charges to the point where velocities are reliably above 800 fps this is unlikely.

    The two powders are VERY different except that they tend to fill the case.

    Bullseye powder is also good for lighter loads, but to get proper pressures and velocities takes a very little, and it is easy to get too much if you are not observant. So it scares me a little. So, TB is my choice for beginners. Bullseye, Unique, Red Dot and others like that for experienced , careful loaders in search of target/plinking loads and 2400 for mid-range to near-maximum loads and H110 (which, frankly, scares me a little, too.)

    TB is be good for any straight-walled cartridges shooting lead bullets. That is what it was intended for. But it has been found to be good for bottlenecked cartridges and for plated and jacketed bullets, too. But there is no load data for those uses. The standard rule of thumb is to fill the case up to the bottom of where the seated bullet will be and weigh that amount of powder. Take 70% of that weight and that is your charge. You can increase that up to 100%, watching for signs of pressure along the way.

    Lost Sheep
  13. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    If you use Trail Boss just remember to NEVER compress the load or break up the little donuts that are the powder. Pressure spikes can and will happen if you do that!
  14. mrnic3guy1989

    mrnic3guy1989 Well-Known Member

    Want to hand load and reload need guidance

    IDK how to start a thread or I would've but I to need help with reloading and hand loading. I have a .45 and am currently waiting on my refund to pay the rest of my G20 off and I want to learn how to hand load and reload. I have read that a lot of factory loads are weak for the 10mm and I would enjoy the satisfaction of hand loading and reloading .45 and 10mm. Can someone tell me a starter kit or what all I will need to obtain in order to start and I'm a college kid so I don't have ally of cash please keep that in mind. I would really love some advice from some of the knowledgeable and thrifty people of this forum, thank you and sorry if I hijacked the thread.
  15. izhevsk

    izhevsk Well-Known Member

    Run through the links provided by Lost Sheep in post #9.
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2013
  16. mrnic3guy1989

    mrnic3guy1989 Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much.
  17. TenDriver

    TenDriver Well-Known Member

    My first indoctrination to reloads was a friend of a friend reloading .357 with W296 at close to the max. Within half a grain I was told. Out of my SP-101, I'd get about three feet of fire out of the muzzle and asked not to do that anymore at least once at an indoor range due to the insane noise coming out of that thing.

    That was of course before I learned to caution other people's reloads (no side story).
  18. hueyville

    hueyville Well-Known Member

    Unique, 2400 and Bullseye in that order. Be careful with Bullseye but a mainstay for light target loads on a budget.
  19. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Make sure you pick up a book or two! Sierras is great, and has a heck of a lot of information about the reloading process.

    Good manuals are indispensable for getting through the beginnings of the reloading process. Reading internet forums can yield some good tips, but it all is kind of "disjointed", little bits of info here and there. The way it's presented in proper reloading manuals really lays it out well, step by step.

    Have fun, be safe, and welcome to the hobby. :)

    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    Post #18 hueyville, "be careful with Bullseye" Is that
    Because you have to make sure velocities are not too
    Low ??
    Thank u
    Semper Fi

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